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Reply #225 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

The biggest dispute is over whether the Prez will be a PEEP or just another political flunkey... the Wee Johnnie approach was designed to derail the entire issue by ensuring that the 'president' would be an appointee of the Parliament - i.e. the majority party - and would have no powers.

Just another waste of money like the Governor General and AOTY... all nonsense costing wasted dollars that we need.. or so they keep telling us....

We need a total overhaul which is why I'm a PEEP Republican....

**PEEP - Popularly Elected Employed President (of the People)....**

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Reply #227 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

What process exists to dissolve the office of Governor General?

If you mean....sack.....Wiki says.............

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A governor-general may be recalled or dismissed by the monarch before their term is complete. By convention, this may only be upon advice from the prime minister, who retains responsibility for selecting an immediate replacement or letting the vacancy provisions take effect.

No Australian governor-general has ever been dismissed and it is unclear how quickly the monarch would act on such advice. The constitutional crisis of 1975 prominently raised the possibility of the prime minister and the governor-general attempting to dismiss each other at the same time.

Sheesh. Good luck with that!

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Reply #228 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

What if there is no acceptable model between the nice people and the government?

the govt. shouldn't put up any models, they are merely the bureaucracy that is supposed to work for it's citizens. Let those that want it put up models that the public then votes on.

You have a big day haven't you. You have been posting rubbish, and that is a great example.

Who is it that can activate a referendum Mr Smith? Is is the Government, and is it not the Government which decides the question in any Referendum.

Psssst......the answers are, respectively.....'the Government, and.......'Yes.'

the govt. are the administrators, nothing but glorified secretaries. ... its should be the public that decides on the models put forward

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Reply #230 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:13pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

What process exists to dissolve the office of Governor General?

Rule .308....... but I would allow Cossie to resign with honour, stating that the office was a disgrace to the people and to him personally.... which it is, and which - if he thought for five minutes... I'm sure he would do, given the current state of politics in his country.

Cossie is an honourable man... though his thinking is sometimes wrong..... nobody's perfect. He needs to review for himself what Honour truly means...... and act on it as the man he is.

Me? In his position I'd quite in absolute disgust.......

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Reply #231 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:32am

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

What process exists to dissolve the office of Governor General?

If you mean....sack.....Wiki says.............

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A governor-general may be recalled or dismissed by the monarch before their term is complete. By convention, this may only be upon advice from the prime minister, who retains responsibility for selecting an immediate replacement or letting the vacancy provisions take effect.

No Australian governor-general has ever been dismissed and it is unclear how quickly the monarch would act on such advice. The constitutional crisis of 1975 prominently raised the possibility of the prime minister and the governor-general attempting to dismiss each other at the same time.

Sheesh. Good luck with that!

Dismissing a GG is a different subject.

MY question is about the office of GG, and who has the right to dissolve it.

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Reply #232 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 6:54am

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:00pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

What if there is no acceptable model between the nice people and the government?

The nice people want to elect and the government opposes an elected HOS, what then and in the interim we are living in a sh1t fight.

Australia WILL become a Republic, sooner or later. The Baby Boomers (those who mostly do not want to change the "system") are getting older and dying off.

The younger generations eligible to vote at 18 will soon be deciding what happens and I doubt they are too attached to the Monarchy, the Flag or the Anthem.

These are the kids who have been sitting around "texting" all and sundry on their "phone". I doubt they know who the current Prime Minister is. I am talking kids at High School (age 12 - 16), little kids (5-10) can beat most adults on the computer but they still haven't learned how to tie their own shoe laces.

Aren't you glad that we don't live forever in a vegistated state to watch all this?

The younger generations eligible to vote at 18 will soon be deciding what happens

I have watched several generations of young people who put strong arguments for a republic often because it is pushed at school grow up to realise that we have a very good system in place, possibly too good to risk on a meaningless feel good costly and probably dangerous change.

The problem with these young republicans is that they grow up.

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Reply #233 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Why do we have the flag of another country in the corner of ours that didn't want us anyway? They kicked us out and sent us here to perish.
Besides, the white fellas that founded this country were not just English, the Scots and the Irish in particular were among them and they hated England and what that Union Jack stood for. Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags they are obviously more grown up than us.

You did see how the referendum for Scots independence went didn't you? Roll Eyes

Besides that Ireland & Scotland are still an integral part of the UK & more so than we are of the Commonwealth.

Good grief Scotland is part of the same island.

My ancestry is Scots, Irish, English & German ...... leave things alone.

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Reply #234 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:24am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Why do we have the flag of another country in the corner of ours that didn't want us anyway? They kicked us out and sent us here to perish.
Besides, the white fellas that founded this country were not just English, the Scots and the Irish in particular were among them and they hated England and what that Union Jack stood for. Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags they are obviously more grown up than us.

Jeez, skip, you should have wiki'd that flag before you posted this rant.

The union jack (United Kingdom) is made up of three flags.

Cross of St Andrew (Scotland)
Cross of St Patrick (Ireland)
Cross of St George (England)

10 minutes is all it takes.

When you read my post for the first time you will note I said the Scot flag nor the Irish flag carry the Union Jack. You should wiki it. Grin

while the Union Jack is supposed to be a mix of those other flags it is nothing like them, the Irish flag is green white and orange blocks and the Scots flag is more like the southern cross without the stars more than anything else. Which brings me to a more appropriate flag for this country. The southern cross was a flag used by Irish, Scots and even English rebels against the system that sent them or their forbears here as convicts, it also included other nationalities and would be a good starting point to consider for a new flag.

Try reading what was written above you

the Cross of St. Andrew

the cross of St. Patrick

the Cross of St. George

And it's not a "JACK" ... it's a flag

a Jack is a Naval Ensign

White Ensign for UK NAVY

Red Ensign for civilian vessels.

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Reply #235 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:46am

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Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags.

Gnads wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13am:

You did see how the referendum for Scots independence went didn't you? Roll Eyes

For over 100 years the Irish lasses came across into Britain by the 100's each year where the Union Jack humanely allowed them to have their abortions from rape, incest, the prohibition on contraceptives, etc etc.

And then since the Great Famines the Irish have been finding employment in Britain by the 100's of 1000's as 'remittance' men and women - sending part of their wages home to keep their families out of the miseries of dire Irish poverty.

The women went into the nursing industries while the men went into construction, canal-building, and road-building.

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Reply #236 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:04am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

The biggest dispute is over whether the Prez will be a PEEP or just another political flunkey... the Wee Johnnie approach was designed to derail the entire issue by ensuring that the 'president' would be an appointee of the Parliament - i.e. the majority party - and would have no powers.

Just another waste of money like the Governor General and AOTY... all nonsense costing wasted dollars that we need.. or so they keep telling us....

We need a total overhaul which is why I'm a PEEP Republican....

**PEEP - Popularly Elected Employed President (of the People)....**

With a popularly elected President and Prime Minister, the country would have two politicised roles... Two persons who could claim a mandate from the people.

It is arguable that this would be a platform for constitutional crises similar to 1975 recurring.

The reason constitutional monarchies (where the royal families are born in the culture and the country of the monarchy), are so successful and bring about such remarkable political stability, is that they eliminate a potential political showdown between the HOS and the HOG.

The 'hole in the heart' of a monarchical system is where the system is exported beyond the borders of its origin. This can be observed wherever the exported monarchy acts in the role of that foreign nation's HOS... All these nations, at regular intervals, angst over the foreignness of their HOS... That is true even in Scotland.

Historically, even the foreign spouses of monarchs (and/or the monarch's perceived foreignness) has been at times a cause for concern within the country of their birth... In the UK the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family felt compelled to change their name to Windsor. And Battenburg to Mountbatten. Queen Mary (consort of George V) was often held in suspicion by the English.

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Reply #237 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:36am

Gnads wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:13am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Why do we have the flag of another country in the corner of ours that didn't want us anyway? They kicked us out and sent us here to perish.
Besides, the white fellas that founded this country were not just English, the Scots and the Irish in particular were among them and they hated England and what that Union Jack stood for. Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags they are obviously more grown up than us.

You did see how the referendum for Scots independence went didn't you? Roll Eyes

Besides that Ireland & Scotland are still an integral part of the UK & more so than we are of the Commonwealth.

Good grief Scotland is part of the same island.

My ancestry is Scots, Irish, English & German ...... leave things alone.

God man, half of Ireland is a republic they hated the poms so much, the other half have spent years fighting the fact the poms still held on to them. The Scots have finally got their own parliament after years again of fighting the poms for the right. The only reason Scotland stuck with England recently was financial not because they loved being rogered by them.
Mine is Scot, Irish and unfortunately English and I say change it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #238 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 8:44am

Gnads wrote on Jan 27^th, 2016 at 7:24am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Why do we have the flag of another country in the corner of ours that didn't want us anyway? They kicked us out and sent us here to perish.
Besides, the white fellas that founded this country were not just English, the Scots and the Irish in particular were among them and they hated England and what that Union Jack stood for. Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags they are obviously more grown up than us.

Jeez, skip, you should have wiki'd that flag before you posted this rant.

The union jack (United Kingdom) is made up of three flags.

Cross of St Andrew (Scotland)
Cross of St Patrick (Ireland)
Cross of St George (England)

10 minutes is all it takes.

When you read my post for the first time you will note I said the Scot flag nor the Irish flag carry the Union Jack. You should wiki it. Grin

while the Union Jack is supposed to be a mix of those other flags it is nothing like them, the Irish flag is green white and orange blocks and the Scots flag is more like the southern cross without the stars more than anything else. Which brings me to a more appropriate flag for this country. The southern cross was a flag used by Irish, Scots and even English rebels against the system that sent them or their forbears here as convicts, it also included other nationalities and would be a good starting point to consider for a new flag.

Try reading what was written above you

the Cross of St. Andrew

the cross of St. Patrick

the Cross of St. George

And it's not a "JACK" ... it's a flag

a Jack is a Naval Ensign

White Ensign for UK NAVY

Red Ensign for civilian vessels.

I read it the first three times Einstein.
Why don't you try a bit of comprehension, I said they have their own flags and so should we berift of theirs.
if you want to live in the past feel free, many of us want an opportunity for change.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28518 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #239 - Jan 27^th, 2016 at 10:27am Why is there such a desire to rush to do this by the ALP and Left? I don't see the urgency. If we do it, lets get it right.
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Question: Do you support a republic
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