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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #195 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:25pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I reckon it boils down to a couple of questions. What do we want (assuming the Monarchy is booted, and the Parliamentary position is left unaltered...with a PM etc as we have now?)

1. A purely ceremonial figure-head.
2. A ceremonial figurehead with some declared/clearly defined power to exercise political influence on rare occasions.....and on what rare occasions.

WRONG. Totally. WRONG. IF Australia is to become a REPUBLIC (and thus getting rid of the Monarchy) we want to be able to VOTE

we should first have a vote on republic or not, so that the matter is settled with the particular model to be voted upon at a later stage.

There's no need to rush it, tie the referendums in with elections if it means we save money. Decide the one question in conjunction with one election, decide on the model at the next one.

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now? If we are to have more, why should there not be further referendums after an affirmative one?

The population is different now.

Many voters have died, and many people are eligible to vote for the first time.

And, there's nothing wrong with having more referendums in the future.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #196 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:27pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now

because last time a lot of the 'no's' were against the model put forward at the time, not against becoming a republic. Even I voted against the last model, and I'd like nothing better than to ditch the queen.

Ditto. The last one was set up to fail intentionly by Howard. I too voted no but I am a republican.

Who cares how you voted. Great that you support a Republic............what model, skippeeeee?

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #197 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:30pm Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:18pm: Exactly. Baby steps. One careful one after the other. (Dunno about the 'Robertson' idea, but the general, point is on track. You will be long gone or probably in a Nursing Home before any such change to the Political scene occurs.
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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #198 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:31pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now

because last time a lot of the 'no's' were against the model put forward at the time, not against becoming a republic. Even I voted against the last model, and I'd like nothing better than to ditch the queen.

Ditto. The last one was set up to fail intentionly by Howard. I too voted no but I am a republican.

Either side could argue the line that the referendum was not properly worded for them to win. So we vote "Yes," in a large enough margin to go to the next step. Then I watch Question Time in parliament and I think, "I am going to give these pricks carte blanche to dick around with the constitution?"

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #199 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I reckon it boils down to a couple of questions. What do we want (assuming the Monarchy is booted, and the Parliamentary position is left unaltered...with a PM etc as we have now?)

1. A purely ceremonial figure-head.
2. A ceremonial figurehead with some declared/clearly defined power to exercise political influence on rare occasions.....and on what rare occasions.

WRONG. Totally. WRONG. IF Australia is to become a REPUBLIC (and thus getting rid of the Monarchy) we want to be able to VOTE FOR OUR LEADER ... if he/she is called a President. No Prime Minister ... just a PRESIDENT ... along the same lines as the USA, minus the hoopla and massive money and years of "electioneering". Aussies would NEVER put up with political "wanna be" people going on and on for years trying to get our vote ...... 6 weeks is too long for that crap.

So. NO Prime Minister ... just a PRESIDENT ... with the power of a PM/GG at the moment. Same type of Government ... HoR and Senate ... MPs and so forth. Presidential term 4 years x 2. So we would end up with a Liberal PRESIDENT for 4 years, initiallly, then maybe an ALP President for 4 years ..... etcetera.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #200 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now

because last time a lot of the 'no's' were against the model put forward at the time, not against becoming a republic. Even I voted against the last model, and I'd like nothing better than to ditch the queen.

Ditto. The last one was set up to fail intentionly by Howard. I too voted no but I am a republican.

Either side could argue the line that the referendum was not properly worded for them to win. So we vote "Yes," in a large enough margin to go to the next step. Then I watch Question Time in parliament and I think, "I am going to give these pricks carte blanche to dick around with the constitution?"

not if the question is do you want Australia to become a republic? yes / No

it leaves no room for manipulation

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Reply #201 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

we've already had a referendum on Australia becoming a Republic..

It Failed.. GET OVER IT>>> Cry

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even today...

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Increased Majority of Australians Support Monarchy (58%) During Queen’s Jubilee Celebrations. Republic Support Falls to 35%

June 11 2012
Finding No. 4788
Topic: Special Poll
Country: Australia

An increased majority of Australians (58%, up 6% - the highest since July 1988) believe Australia should remain a Monarchy while a decreasing number of Australians 35% (down 2% since October 2011) believe Australia should become a Republic with an elected President and 7% (down 4%) are undecided — according to a special Morgan Poll of Australians taken over the last two nights (October 5/6, 2012).

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #202 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:34pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now

because last time a lot of the 'no's' were against the model put forward at the time, not against becoming a republic. Even I voted against the last model, and I'd like nothing better than to ditch the queen.

Ditto. The last one was set up to fail intentionly by Howard. I too voted no but I am a republican.

Who cares how you voted. Great that you support a Republic............what model, skippeeeee?

leave your games for 'relationships', the adults are talking here.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #203 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:34pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

we've already had a referendum on Australia becoming a Republic..

It Failed.. GET OVER IT>>> Cry

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even today...

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Increased Majority of Australians Support Monarchy (58%) During Queen’s Jubilee Celebrations. Republic Support Falls to 35%

June 11 2012
Finding No. 4788
Topic: Special Poll
Country: Australia

An increased majority of Australians (58%, up 6% - the highest since July 1988) believe Australia should remain a Monarchy while a decreasing number of Australians 35% (down 2% since October 2011) believe Australia should become a Republic with an elected President and 7% (down 4%) are undecided — according to a special Morgan Poll of Australians taken over the last two nights (October 5/6, 2012).

a poll?

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #204 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:25pm:

The population is different now.

Many voters have died, and many people are eligible to vote for the first time.

And, there's nothing wrong with having more referendums in the future.

Like every 20 years or so we vote to see what system of government we want, because the current one is not as trendy for the young ones and having the latest style of government is important to everyone, it's what them happy.

Friggen great idea, change is great, constant change is even greater.

Should do the same with day light saving, fkk the expense give the masses a say and kee giving them a say.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #206 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now

because last time a lot of the 'no's' were against the model put forward at the time, not against becoming a republic. Even I voted against the last model, and I'd like nothing better than to ditch the queen.

Ditto. The last one was set up to fail intentionly by Howard. I too voted no but I am a republican.

Who cares how you voted. Great that you support a Republic............what model, skippeeeee?

leave your games for 'relationships', the adults are talking here.

He mis-quoted me too. Please READ what I said. Not what arsie quoted I said!

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #207 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:38pm John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm: not if the question is do you want Australia to become a republic? yes / No it leaves no room for manipulation Other than the government giving the idiots a type of republic they vehemently oppose, like the one they rejected reviously. Nah, smart move that one.
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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #208 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:38pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

If a "no" vote did not settle the matter last time, why should it now

because last time a lot of the 'no's' were against the model put forward at the time, not against becoming a republic. Even I voted against the last model, and I'd like nothing better than to ditch the queen.

Ditto. The last one was set up to fail intentionly by Howard. I too voted no but I am a republican.

Who cares how you voted. Great that you support a Republic............what model, skippeeeee?

leave your games for 'relationships', the adults are talking here.

He mis-quoted me too. Please READ what I said. Not what arsie quoted I said!

i don't read what he quotes anyway ...

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #209 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:39pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

not if the question is do you want Australia to become a republic? yes / No

it leaves no room for manipulation

Other than the government giving the nice people a type of republic they vehemently oppose, like the one they rejected reviously.

Nah, smart move that one. Grin

I've dealt with that ... try to keep up

we should first have a vote on republic or not, so that the matter is settled with the particular model to be voted upon at a later stage.

There's no need to rush it, tie the referendums in with elections if it means we save money. Decide the one question in conjunction with one election, decide on the model at the next one.

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Question: Do you support a republic
Yes 13 (36.1%) No 14 (38.9%) Yes, but with conditions 9 (25.0%) No because the coins cost too much to change 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 36 « Created by: skippy. on: Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:06am »