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Reply #15 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:03am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Name one thing that will make life better personally (compared to now) in some way for you personally if we become a republic, and I'll vote for one. Something that will make YOUR life better, or a new freedom. Note: an Australian head of state is not an applicable answer as we already pretty much have one called the Prime Minister.

Incorrect.

Technically, the Queen is our head of state. But in reality she has zero impact on our country or its political process other than ceremonial duties (e.g. when a new G-G is confirmed). In reality, the PM is effectively our head of state.

Absolutely wrong. The GG is the head of state in the queens absence. The PM is only the head of government and can be dumped by the GG as that maggot Kerr proved.

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Reply #17 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:09am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:04am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Name one thing that will make life better personally (compared to now) in some way for you personally if we become a republic, and I'll vote for one. Something that will make YOUR life better, or a new freedom. Note: an Australian head of state is not an applicable answer as we already pretty much have one called the Prime Minister.

Incorrect.

Technically, the Queen is our head of state. But in reality she has zero impact on our country or its political process other than ceremonial duties (e.g. when a new G-G is confirmed). In reality, the PM is effectively our head of state.

Which section is that in?

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Const...

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Reply #18 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:14am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

What is wrong with a county " feeling good" about itself as a reason for change?

If you just want to feel good, buy a friggen puppy, it will cost the rest of us nothing.

Where there is no benefit for the rest of us who have to pay for all of this wankery, then it is not up to us to justify the status quo.

Look no-one gives a a sh1t about this any-more, time to move on.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #19 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:17am Well we've got the right bloke nearly in the Lodge to get it through, if he's still interested. From what I read he might be bored with the issue. He might have to disappear a lot of his backbench to do it though.
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Reply #20 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:19am

Why do we have the flag of another country in the corner of ours that didn't want us anyway? They kicked us out and sent us here to perish.
Besides, the white fellas that founded this country were not just English, the Scots and the Irish in particular were among them and they hated England and what that Union Jack stood for. Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags they are obviously more grown up than us.

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Reply #21 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:24am

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

What is wrong with a county " feeling good" about itself as a reason for change?

If you just want to feel good, buy a friggen puppy, it will cost the rest of us nothing.

Where there is no benefit for the rest of us who have to pay for all of this wankery, then it is not up to us to justify the status quo.

Look no-one gives a a sh1t about this any-more, time to move on.

What costs? The head of state would live where the GG lives.No cost. Plus we wouldn't have to foot the bill every time a pommy Royal comes here to bludge off us.
The costs would be minimal at best. At least come up with valid opposition. Arguments like changing the coins are pointless given we do that every time a monarch carks It anyway.

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Reply #22 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:27am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

Name one thing that makes your life better living under a monarchy of another country?
I am a republican but I don't care that much about it either way.
I care more that we have the Union Jack on our flag.
Even the kiwis are smart enough to adopt a flag for the twenty first century instead on one created by a competition from a weetbix pack.
I think the sad thing is monarchists can not think of good reasons to stay a constitutional monarchy other than the old " doh we will have to change all the money" we will do that when the queen carks it anyway otherwise our coins would still have Queen Victoria on them. Roll Eyes

What is wrong with a county " feeling good" about itself as a reason for change?
As I said while I am a republican as is the new Australian of the year btw, I don't like the previous models put forward. So I voted no last time we had a vote on the issue as I will next time unless we have a model that is not based on the politicians telling us who the best person for the job is.

How does having the Union Jack on the flag affect you? Does it make bread more expensive for you? Do you get persecuted if you go somewhere because of it? Does it leave you curled up like a baby sucking your thumb when you think about it?

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Reply #23 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:28am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:19am:

Why do we have the flag of another country in the corner of ours that didn't want us anyway? They kicked us out and sent us here to perish.
Besides, the white fellas that founded this country were not just English, the Scots and the Irish in particular were among them and they hated England and what that Union Jack stood for. Scotland and Ireland don't have a Union Jack on their flags they are obviously more grown up than us.

Jeez, skip, you should have wiki'd that flag before you posted this rant.

The union jack (United Kingdom) is made up of three flags.

Cross of St Andrew (Scotland)
Cross of St Patrick (Ireland)
Cross of St George (England)

10 minutes is all it takes.

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Reply #25 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:35am

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:14am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

What is wrong with a county " feeling good" about itself as a reason for change?

If you just want to feel good, buy a friggen puppy, it will cost the rest of us nothing.

Where there is no benefit for the rest of us who have to pay for all of this wankery, then it is not up to us to justify the status quo.

Look no-one gives a a sh1t about this any-more, time to move on.

What costs? The head of state would live where the GG lives.No cost. Plus we wouldn't have to foot the bill every time a pommy Royal comes here to bludge off us.
The costs would be minimal at best. At least come up with valid opposition. Arguments like changing the coins are pointless given we do that every time a monarch carks It anyway.

Just buy a puppy and let the rest of us be naturally happy with out the cost of this wankery.

Change for the sake of change is always fraught with folly.

Define and explain the benefit of change, conduct a cost analysis, BEFORE, demanding we change the entire structure of our system of government.

Making you feel good about yourself, isn't a benefit worthy of change.

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #26 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:37am What cultural values do we instil in our kids when we force every passing fad or cause of the permanently disillusioned Left down their throats?
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Reply #27 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

Name one thing that makes your life better living under a monarchy of another country?
I am a republican but I don't care that much about it either way.
I care more that we have the Union Jack on our flag.
Even the kiwis are smart enough to adopt a flag for the twenty first century instead on one created by a competition from a weetbix pack.
I think the sad thing is monarchists can not think of good reasons to stay a constitutional monarchy other than the old " doh we will have to change all the money" we will do that when the queen carks it anyway otherwise our coins would still have Queen Victoria on them. Roll Eyes

What is wrong with a county " feeling good" about itself as a reason for change?
As I said while I am a republican as is the new Australian of the year btw, I don't like the previous models put forward. So I voted no last time we had a vote on the issue as I will next time unless we have a model that is not based on the politicians telling us who the best person for the job is.

How does having the Union Jack on the flag affect you? Does it make bread more expensive for you? Do you get persecuted if you go somewhere because of it? Does it leave you curled up like a baby sucking your thumb when you think about it?

It doesn't represent current Australia or its past given many white settlers were not English and the ones that were were not wanted by England anyway they were sent here never to return.
Argue away, its your right, but at least forge a decent argument the old curtains will fade trick doesn't cut it. Roll Eyes

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #28 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:06am: it does mean we could always have a Muslim head of State...in the future...something to look forward too. A Catholic one, even!
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150893 Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #29 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:40am cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 7:06am: it does mean we could always have a Muslim head of State...in the future...something to look forward too. Completely irrelevant. And, http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/blog/english-mistakes/to-too-two/
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Question: Do you support a republic
Yes 13 (36.1%) No 14 (38.9%) Yes, but with conditions 9 (25.0%) No because the coins cost too much to change 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 36 « Created by: skippy. on: Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:06am »