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Reply #165 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Absolutely nothing wrong with the current model.
An elected Government with a head of state above politics.

If you like it so much, you should petition for the poms to do the same, have a pommie PM with a head of state from a different country. Cheesy

Maybe they can make Abbott their king?

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Reply #166 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

I want a President by popular election.

Our current Head of State isn't elected.

You want our Republic's HOS to be elected by a popular vote, but you have no problem with the current HOS being born into the position.

Why is that?

I don't really understand what you mean by "having no problem" with HOS etc. If you consider Queen Elizabeth the HOS you are stretching a point. She doesn't have any control over Australia legislation. It seems you are nit-picking. The British Crown's part in Australian government has been slowly eroded since 1901. The nominal position that the monarch holds in Australia today is something we have inherited. I don't think accepting that reality is a matter of "having no problem." You can vote for any republic on offer if you wish, but we will only get one shot at it. I will vote for a republic that specifically meets my expectation, none other.

Mr I. Voter, what would we have if "Cosgrove" (the Sovereign) refused to sign off on a piece of legislation?

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Reply #167 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Could it be this whole republic nonsense is just another manifestation of Australia's cultural cringe.

Could it just be we already have the best system.

I think you are probably right. certainly better than any republic model that has been considered.

People seem to want to fix things that are not broken when we don't have the funds to fix the things that are in a mess.

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Reply #168 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Most of us don't but,

actually, most of us do ... the only reason the referendum was voted down the last time was because of the model that had been proposed ....

Did I say I was one of the "most" who "don't"? Wink

I voted YES in 1996. However, Howard's idea of the PM "selecting" The President is wrong. IF we are going to become a Republic we MUST have the PEOPLE vote for The President ... and get rid of the Prime Minister function ... we already have too many levels of "government".

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Reply #170 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:34pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

However, Howard's idea of the PM "selecting" The President is wrong.

and he knew it.... his only reason for putting that model forward was because he wanted it to fail

Obviously. Turncoat isn't about to push it, again, though. He has to be VOTED IN as PM before he even tries doing something like that.

Turncoat will NOT get my vote ... Kiss

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #171 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:36pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

However, Howard's idea of the PM "selecting" The President is wrong.

and he knew it.... his only reason for putting that model forward was because he wanted it to fail

Obviously. Turncoat isn't about to push it, again, though. He has to be VOTED IN as PM before he even tries doing something like that.

Turncoat will NOT get my vote ... Kiss

I take it he hasnt done anything to make you change your mind...

what I see of him hes weak as water.another krudd all hes interested in is being popular..

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Reply #172 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

However, Howard's idea of the PM "selecting" The President is wrong.

and he knew it.... his only reason for putting that model forward was because he wanted it to fail

Obviously. Turncoat isn't about to push it, again, though. He has to be VOTED IN as PM before he even tries doing something like that.

Turncoat will NOT get my vote ... Kiss

If you're not in his electorate, you don't get the opportunity to vote for him.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6418 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #173 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:38pm Australia doesn't need to be a republic. It can be also Parliamentarian monarchy but with own (not foreign) monarch.
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Reply #174 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:39pm

I reckon it boils down to a couple of questions. What do we want (assuming the Monarchy is booted, and the Parliamentary position is left unaltered...with a PM etc as we have now?)

1. A purely ceremonial figure-head.
2. A ceremonial figurehead with some declared/clearly defined power to exercise political influence on rare occasions.....and on what rare occasions.

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Reply #175 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:42pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

I want a President by popular election.

Our current Head of State isn't elected.

You want our Republic's HOS to be elected by a popular vote, but you have no problem with the current HOS being born into the position.

Why is that?

I don't really understand what you mean by "having no problem" with HOS etc. If you consider Queen Elizabeth the HOS you are stretching a point. She doesn't have any control over Australia legislation. It seems you are nit-picking. The British Crown's part in Australian government has been slowly eroded since 1901. The nominal position that the monarch holds in Australia today is something we have inherited. I don't think accepting that reality is a matter of "having no problem." You can vote for any republic on offer if you wish, but we will only get one shot at it. I will vote for a republic that specifically meets my expectation, none other.

Mr I. Voter, what would we have if "Cosgrove" (the Sovereign) refused to sign off on a piece of legislation?

Continue your train of thought. The Republic issue is complex. Arch republicans just want a republic at any price, and they don't want people to consider the matter too carefully. Not being a constitutional lawyer, I would have thought your "Cosgrove" would need to justify himself legally.

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Reply #176 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:42pm

cods wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:36pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

However, Howard's idea of the PM "selecting" The President is wrong.

and he knew it.... his only reason for putting that model forward was because he wanted it to fail

Obviously. Turncoat isn't about to push it, again, though. He has to be VOTED IN as PM before he even tries doing something like that.

Turncoat will NOT get my vote ... Kiss

I take it he hasnt done anything to make you change your mind...

what I see of him hes weak as water.another krudd all hes interested in is being popular..

One positive thing about Turnbull, is that he at least looks and acts like a statesman.

It's not much, but it's a lot more than the last loser had.

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Reply #177 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:46pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

It is nearly twenty years since we had the last public discussion on this issue its about time the current PM put it back on the table.

Referendums are costly and before we have yet another referendum on becoming a republic or one on same sex marriage we need to have one on immigration as that will definitely influence the direction we are heading more than anything else.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #178 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

It is nearly twenty years since we had the last public discussion on this issue its about time the current PM put it back on the table.

Referendums are costly and before we have yet another referendum on becoming a republic or one on same sex marriage we need to have one on immigration as that will definitely influence the direction we are heading more than anything else.

What question(s) do you envisage?

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Reply #179 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 5:01pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I reckon it boils down to a couple of questions. What do we want (assuming the Monarchy is booted, and the Parliamentary position is left unaltered...with a PM etc as we have now?)

1. A purely ceremonial figure-head.
2. A ceremonial figurehead with some declared/clearly defined power to exercise political influence on rare occasions.....and on what rare occasions.

WRONG. Totally. WRONG. IF Australia is to become a REPUBLIC (and thus getting rid of the Monarchy) we want to be able to VOTE FOR OUR LEADER ... if he/she is called a President. No Prime Minister ... just a PRESIDENT ... along the same lines as the USA, minus the hoopla and massive money and years of "electioneering". Aussies would NEVER put up with political "wanna be" people going on and on for years trying to get our vote ...... 6 weeks is too long for that crap.

So. NO Prime Minister ... just a PRESIDENT ... with the power of a PM/GG at the moment. Same type of Government ... HoR and Senate ... MPs and so forth. Presidential term 4 years x 2. So we would end up with a Liberal PRESIDENT for 4 years, initiallly, then maybe an ALP President for 4 years ..... etcetera.

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Question: Do you support a republic
Yes 13 (36.1%) No 14 (38.9%) Yes, but with conditions 9 (25.0%) No because the coins cost too much to change 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 36 « Created by: skippy. on: Jan 26^th, 2016 at 9:06am »