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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #120 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:43pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

I'm glad that someone other than a politician has reserve powers.

True. And constitutional monarchies that belong to the nation they serve are likely to have an excellent track record of using those reserve powers well and are respected for it (such that they are reserve powers outside the Westminster system).

Two good (and respected) examples

   Emperor Hirohito - Ordering the Japanese to surrender (no Japanese commoner could have achieved the same result as quickly).
   King Juan-Carlos of Spain - The Spanish 1981 attempted coup.

One (disrespected) example -

   Vice-Regal John Kerr - The Palace would not comment or intervene - Say no more.

Wrong. Kerr acted to remove a govt attempting to rule without the consent of Parliament's

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Reply #122 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:46pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

I'm glad that someone other than a politician has reserve powers.

True. And constitutional monarchies that belong to the nation they serve are likely to have an excellent track record of using those reserve powers well and are respected for it (such that they are reserve powers outside the Westminster system).

Two good (and respected) examples

   Emperor Hirohito - Ordering the Japanese to surrender (no Japanese commoner could have achieved the same result as quickly).
   King Juan-Carlos of Spain - The Spanish 1981 attempted coup.

One (disrespected) example -

   Vice-Regal John Kerr - The Palace would not comment or intervene - Say no more.

Wrong. Kerr acted to remove a govt attempting to rule without the consent of Parliament's

Kerr argued he used the sovereign's reserve powers.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #123 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:50pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

miketrees wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

No Skip,,, we could end up only being given choices that the majority wont want

If the majority don't want it they won't vote for it.
I did not vote for a republic when given the opportunity eighteen years ago as I did not like the model. Many others agreed with me. Australians are not stupid, if they don't think something is a better option they do not vote for it. Given many polls in those days suggested at least half the population wanted a republic but the one on offer was not the one they wanted proves Australians don't make change for change sake. In order for a republic to be successful much more than 50% of the population would need to support it given the way referendums are skewed to favour the incumbent.

skippeeee, you've made some pretty spectacularly inaccurate statements in this Thread....but apart from telling us you want a Republic, you have not said who the Head of State would be, and how they would be elected....(if you were deciding the issues.)

So what?
You have not said anything but an attempt to troll me.
Unlike you I don't attempt to run threads based on my belief, I have made it clear while I'm a republican I am not willing to settle for a Republic under any circumstance. Do keep up. How many of your sox voted in the thread aaaaauuuussssssiiie? Or do we need to ask the mods that answer?
PS what statements a spectacular inaccuracies,aaaaaauuuussssiiiie?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61340 Here Gender:	Re: An Australian republic Reply #124 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:53pm issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:03pm: I want a President by popular election. Why should we call our head of state a President, or el presidente what is wrong with our current name ? Who wants or needs a president - not me.
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Reply #125 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

I want a President by popular election.

Why should we call our head of state a President, or el presidente what is wrong with our current name ?

Who wants or needs a president - not me.

I agree there is no reason to change the name of head of state to El presidente, that will save some of our esteemed monarchists a couple of dollars.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #126 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

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So what?

You have said you favour a Republic and yet voted "N," in the last election because you did not like the offered models. What is the model you like, skippeee?

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You have not said anything but an attempt to troll me.

I've made one post which asked you a question I knew you would run a mile from because I reckon you are just flapping your gums. Put some meat on the moans bones skippeeee.

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Unlike you I don't attempt to run threads based on my belief, I have made it clear while I'm a republican I am not willing to settle for a Republic under any circumstance. Do keep up. How many of your sox voted in the thread aaaaauuuussssssiiie? Or do we need to ask the mods that answer?

Thousands skippeeee. The GMods will tell you.

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PS what statements a spectacular inaccuracies,aaaaaauuuussssiiiie?

1. The Union Jack.
2. The alleged weet bix competition. Weet bix were not around in 1901.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #127 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:05pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

A model for appointing an Australian President (other than by direct election) ?

A 'Sovereign Council' - Say, an eleven member council of Australian 'elders' who do not hold political office (and are ineligible to be appointed or remain on the Sovereign Council if they hold or intend to hold political office) who are appointed to the council by Parliament. The councillors nominate (say every 5 years) an appropriate Australian for President. If the nominee accepts his nomination, the nominee is ratified by Parliament and becomes Australian president for a fixed term.

The Sovereign Council nominates and can recommend to Parliament the dismissal of the President, which has legal effect on ratification by Parliament.

Sounds like a Politburo.......

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Reply #128 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:08pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

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So what?

You have said you favour a Republic and yet voted "N," in the last election because you did not like the offered models. What is the model you like, skippeee?

not the one on offer

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You have not said anything but an attempt to troll me.

I've made one post which asked you a question I knew you would run a mile from because I reckon you are just flapping your gums. Put some meat on the moans bones skippeeee.

i don't answer to to you

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Unlike you I don't attempt to run threads based on my belief, I have made it clear while I'm a republican I am not willing to settle for a Republic under any circumstance. Do keep up. How many of your sox voted in the thread aaaaauuuussssssiiie? Or do we need to ask the mods that answer?

Thousands skippeeee. The GMods will tell you.

that doesn't surprise me given the mods have said you run many

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PS what statements a spectacular inaccuracies,aaaaaauuuussssiiiie?

1. The Union Jack.
2. The alleged weet bix competition. Weet bix were not around in 1901.

so I embellished it a little it was won via a competition as I said The Union Jack does not appear on the Irish or Scot flag, Einstein so my comment was true:

It must suck to be you.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #129 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

The first settlement of "Australia" was in 1788 of the First Fleet. This is why we celebrate "Australia Day" on 26 January. Roll Eyes

We gained independence on 19/1/1901.

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The only remaining constitutional connection with the United Kingdom is through the monarch, who is the monarch not only of the UK, but also of Australia and of each of its States. The main function of the monarch is to appoint and dismiss the Governor-General and the State Governors, and this function is exercised on the advice of the Prime Minister or the relevant State Premier. (The monarch is also sometimes asked to perform some function, such as giving the Royal Assent to an Act of Parliament, for ceremonial purposes during a Royal visit.)

Should we ever become a Republic, I would prefer that we, the people, vote for that person and not have the Prime Minister "select" the President as they now do with the GG ... which was Howard's idea (and I did vote YES for a Republic back then).

In other words, similar to the USA but without all the BS and only rich people being able to run for "President".

Meanwhile, we should also change the current term for a Federal Government from 3 years to 4 years and limit them to (say) 2 "terms" (i.e. 8 years).

The US "Congress" (Parliament) is also based on the Westminster System. They also have a House Of Representatives and a Senate.

Australia's main problem is that we are still a VERY SMALL population ... 25 million now, isn't it? We should cease immigration of those who will NEVER fit in (Middle East mostly) as they don't care who the Government is, provided they still get their Welfare payments every fortnight. They also get to VOTE, don't they? Guess what they would vote for? Grin

OK .. My 2 cents worth.

I DO understand what Skippy is saying. Good on you, Skip. Don't let the bastards grind you down.

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Reply #130 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:09pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

I'm glad that someone other than a politician has reserve powers.

True. And constitutional monarchies that belong to the nation they serve are likely to have an excellent track record of using those reserve powers well and are respected for it (such that they are reserve powers outside the Westminster system).

Two good (and respected) examples

   Emperor Hirohito - Ordering the Japanese to surrender (no Japanese commoner could have achieved the same result as quickly).
   King Juan-Carlos of Spain - The Spanish 1981 attempted coup.

One (disrespected) example -

   Vice-Regal John Kerr - The Palace would not comment or intervene - Say no more.

Wrong. Kerr acted to remove a govt attempting to rule without the consent of Parliament's

Kerr acted badly and in contravention of the required procedures, recent revelations make it look a lot worse than was known at the time showing improper discussions poor advice that was not allowed and secret discussions involving royalty.

Kerr was meant to have not acted till it was necessary and to have been taking his primary advice from the PM. When the PM showed up to ask for a half senate election to resolve the impasse that is what should have happened. The current PM had a solution to the problem and had every right to expect that would be the position taken.

The actions of the GG the opposition leader several judges and some of the Royal family were disgraceful.

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Re: An Australian republic
Reply #131 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:37pm:

A model for appointing an Australian President (other than by direct election) ?

A 'Sovereign Council' - Say, an eleven member council of Australian 'elders' who do not hold political office (and are ineligible to be appointed or remain on the Sovereign Council if they hold or intend to hold political office) who are appointed to the council by Parliament. The councillors nominate (say every 5 years) an appropriate Australian for President. If the nominee accepts his nomination, the nominee is ratified by Parliament and becomes Australian president for a fixed term.

The Sovereign Council nominates and can recommend to Parliament the dismissal of the President, which has legal effect on ratification by Parliament.

Sounds like a Politburo.......

What does the appointment of a Vice-Regal by the Prime Minister sound like to you?

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Reply #132 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:22pm

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

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So what?

You have said you favour a Republic and yet voted "N," in the last election because you did not like the offered models. What is the model you like, skippeee?

not the one on offer

What is the one on offer, skippeeee?

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You have not said anything but an attempt to troll me.

I've made one post which asked you a question I knew you would run a mile from because I reckon you are just flapping your gums. Put some meat on the moans bones skippeeee.

i don't answer to to you

Indeed you don't. But one day, you'll have to decide what model you favour instead of taring down the suggestions of others.

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Unlike you I don't attempt to run threads based on my belief, I have made it clear while I'm a republican I am not willing to settle for a Republic under any circumstance. Do keep up. How many of your sox voted in the thread aaaaauuuussssssiiie? Or do we need to ask the mods that answer?

Thousands skippeeee. The GMods will tell you.

that doesn't surprise me given the mods have said you run many

Have they? Where did they say that skippeeee?

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PS what statements a spectacular inaccuracies,aaaaaauuuussssiiiie?

1. The Union Jack.
2. The alleged weet bix competition. Weet bix were not around in 1901.

so I embellished it a little it was won via a competition as I said The Union Jack does not appear on the Irish or Scot flag, Einstein so my comment was true:

It must suck to be you.

Ah....you embellished it. See, we agree skippeeee!

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Reply #134 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:26pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:22pm:

skippy. wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

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So what?

You have said you favour a Republic and yet voted "N," in the last election because you did not like the offered models. What is the model you like, skippeee?

not the one on offer

What is the one on offer, skippeeee?

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You have not said anything but an attempt to troll me.

I've made one post which asked you a question I knew you would run a mile from because I reckon you are just flapping your gums. Put some meat on the moans bones skippeeee.

i don't answer to to you

Indeed you don't. But one day, you'll have to decide what model you favour instead of taring down the suggestions of others.

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Unlike you I don't attempt to run threads based on my belief, I have made it clear while I'm a republican I am not willing to settle for a Republic under any circumstance. Do keep up. How many of your sox voted in the thread aaaaauuuussssssiiie? Or do we need to ask the mods that answer?

Thousands skippeeee. The GMods will tell you.

that doesn't surprise me given the mods have said you run many

Have they? Where did they say that skippeeee?

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PS what statements a spectacular inaccuracies,aaaaaauuuussssiiiie?

1. The Union Jack.
2. The alleged weet bix competition. Weet bix were not around in 1901.

so I embellished it a little it was won via a competition as I said The Union Jack does not appear on the Irish or Scot flag, Einstein so my comment was true:

It must suck to be you.

Ah....you embellished it. See, we agree skippeeee!

STOP TROLLING SKIPPY, arsie!!!

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Question: Do you support a republic
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