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Question: Do you support a republic

Yes    
  13 (36.1%)
No    
  14 (38.9%)
Yes, but with conditions    
  9 (25.0%)
No because the coins cost too much to change    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 36
« Created by: skippy. on: Jan 26th, 2016 at 9:06am »

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Reply #105 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:47pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:45pm:
Hold on Bam

The New Zealanders may vote for a change, then find that none of the new flag designs are better than the old flag.

Do they still have the choice of the old flag when they go to choose.

Their new flag designs are vomit inducing.

Could we end up the same way, decide we want a change, then not like the Republic models dished up to us?

We would want to be able to vote for the old system in the second vote.

You know a lot of people want to vote in the head of state, yet the politicians will not want that to happen.

If we are going to go to the effort of changing, I want to vote.
And I want the head of state to have the power to dismiss a government and call a new election (within certain time limits)

You need to read Bams post, he clearly says they will have a choice between the current and new designs.
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Reply #106 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:48pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:47pm:
Keep the thread going skippy (for the umpthteen time) and you might get some more yes votes.
Or you might just get more no votes.

You'll run out of sox sooner or later. Cool
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Reply #107 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:50pm
 
If we become a Republic the curtains shall surely fade.

If you think that way,,, just go off and get some help for yourself , no need to drag us through a load of unnecessary work
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Reply #108 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:52pm
 
You need to read Bams post, he clearly says they will have a choice between the current and new designs.

Do you think that is a courtesy that will be afforded the Australian people?

I am not so sure
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Reply #109 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:53pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:14pm:
Our head of state, in all but name, is an Australian. His name is Malcolm Turnbull and he is the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Australia. He is held accountable by the Federal Parliament and the people of Australia via democratic elections. He does not answer to the Queen or the Governor-General.

Really? Who swears him in? To whom does he pledge allegiance? Who signs bills into Acts of Parliament? Who holds reserve powers?

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Reply #110 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:14pm:
Our head of state, in all but name, is an Australian. His name is Malcolm Turnbull and he is the Prime Minister of the Commonwealth of Australia.


Nope.

He's Head of Government, not our Head of State.

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Reply #111 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 1:52pm:
You need to read Bams post, he clearly says they will have a choice between the current and new designs.

Do you think that is a courtesy that will be afforded the Australian people?

I am not so sure

Oh so lets not do it because it doesn't meet your argument?
How do you know it could not be an option?
Even if it wasn't the majority should rule,son.  If you don't like that there is always mother England waiting to embrace you. Oh that's right, you're not even allowed to work there anymore unless you are one of them, they don't want those scum Aussies going over and taking all the pommy jobs now do they?
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Reply #112 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:02pm
 
No Skip,,, we could end up only being given choices that the majority wont want
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Reply #113 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:03pm
 
Since the British stopped sending out Brits to be GG, and legislation stopped in Canberra, I have not been interested in the Republic issue.  The problem with a new flag is that it is almost bound to be changed in bad taste.

Look at all the new flags around the world. Most of them have nothing to do with Flag design. I will vote for a Republic only when the right model is presented. That does not include a President elected by politicians.

I want a President by popular election.

I want a flag that is flag, and not a 3rd World petrol station logo. It must be able to lose a third of its flying side and still be recognized.

The coinage has to be rationalized into sizes, values, and weight closer to the American categories. The heavy 20 and 50 cent pieces have to go.

There must be no mention of race in the Constitution other than their equality.

There are other legislative issues which are almost certain to get tangled, but only if the above items are guaranteed will I consider voting for a Republic.
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Reply #114 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm
 
I'm glad that someone other than a politician has reserve powers.
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Reply #115 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:03pm:
I want a President by popular election.



Our current Head of State isn't elected.

You want our Republic's HOS to be elected by a popular vote, but you have no problem with the current HOS being born into the position.

Why is that?

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Reply #116 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
No Skip,,, we could end up only being given choices that the majority wont want

If the majority don't want it they won't vote for it.
I did not vote for a republic when given the opportunity eighteen years ago as I did not like the model. Many others agreed with me. Australians are not stupid, if they don't think something is a better option they do not vote for it. Given many polls in those days suggested at least half the population  wanted a republic but the one on offer was not the one they wanted proves Australians don't make change for change sake. In order for a republic to be successful much more than 50% of the population would need to support it given the way referendums are skewed to favour the incumbent.
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Reply #117 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:20pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
I'm glad that someone other than a politician has reserve powers.

True. And constitutional monarchies that belong to the nation they serve are likely to have an excellent track record of using those reserve powers well and are respected for it (such that they are reserve powers outside the Westminster system).

Two good (and respected) examples

      Emperor Hirohito - Ordering the Japanese to surrender (no Japanese commoner could have achieved the same result as quickly).
      King Juan-Carlos of Spain - The Spanish 1981 attempted coup.

One (disrespected) example -

     Vice-Regal John Kerr - The Palace would not comment or intervene - Say no more.


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Reply #118 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:27pm
 
skippy. wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
miketrees wrote on Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
No Skip,,, we could end up only being given choices that the majority wont want

If the majority don't want it they won't vote for it.
I did not vote for a republic when given the opportunity eighteen years ago as I did not like the model. Many others agreed with me. Australians are not stupid, if they don't think something is a better option they do not vote for it. Given many polls in those days suggested at least half the population  wanted a republic but the one on offer was not the one they wanted proves Australians don't make change for change sake. In order for a republic to be successful much more than 50% of the population would need to support it given the way referendums are skewed to favour the incumbent.


skippeeee, you've made some pretty spectacularly inaccurate statements in this Thread....but apart from telling us you want a Republic, you have not said who the Head of State would be, and how they would be elected....(if you were deciding the issues.)
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Reply #119 - Jan 26th, 2016 at 2:37pm
 
A model for appointing an Australian President (other than by direct election) ?

A 'Sovereign Council' - Say, an eleven member council of Australian 'elders' who do not hold political office (and are ineligible to be appointed or remain on the Sovereign Council if they hold or intend to hold political office) who are appointed to the council by Parliament. The councillors nominate (say every 5 years) an appropriate Australian for President. If the nominee accepts his nomination, the nominee is ratified by Parliament and becomes Australian president for a fixed term.

The Sovereign Council nominates and can recommend to Parliament the dismissal of the President, which has legal effect on ratification by Parliament.
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