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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #60 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

1/ People with no political interest or knowledge vote.

2/ People vote by tradition rather than who is best. eg "My grandpappy always used to vote labour, so I do.'

3/ It costs more.

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People with no political interest or knowledge vote.

Many may still vote if it were optional.

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People vote by tradition rather than who is best

They will still vote for the same reasons only their traditional vote would have a larger impact on the result.

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It costs more

With a huge pool of people not voting the cost of preventing these votes being harvested to vote by proxy could be immense. It could conceivable cost a lot more.

I like the way we do it.

thanks for responding in a mature manner.

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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #61 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

Compulsory voting is absolutely retarded.
I have always believed this. There is a reason pretty much every other country in the western world doesn't do it.

there is a reason why pretty much absolutely every other country ranks below Australia (with the exception of Norway) when ranking best countries to live in Cheesy

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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #62 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:27pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

Compulsory voting is absolutely retarded.
I have always believed this. There is a reason pretty much every other country in the western world doesn't do it.

there is a reason why pretty much absolutely every other country ranks below Australia (with the exception of Norway) when ranking best countries to live in Cheesy

Yeah because of the voting system.
That'll be it John....

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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #63 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:28pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

Compulsory voting is absolutely retarded.
I have always believed this. There is a reason pretty much every other country in the western world doesn't do it.

there is a reason why pretty much absolutely every other country ranks below Australia (with the exception of Norway) when ranking best countries to live in Cheesy

Yeah because of the voting system.
That'll be it John....

prove it

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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #64 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:46pm

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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #65 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:15am

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:04pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude;

ohh please ... you want to liken voting to slavery? Get real Cheesy

Ahh well, you prove politicians wrong when they say the electorate is intelligent, you for one can't comprehend what the thread is about ... have another go John, try Compulsory Voting ... gezz you might get it sooner or later

In case you don't - Compulsory Voting is likened to slavery or servatude

So what interest would you have in compulsory voting, it helps you lefties out somehow ? everybody knows you lot are not big on freedoms, nor are the Lib righties, so do you always want the Labs and Libs to win elections ? let's have your lame cliche dictatorial reasons like:

You can't have a democracy without compulsory voting

If you don't vote in a compulsory voting system, you don't deserve a say

If you want services, you must put your compulsory vote in

... and I hope you're not one of those who say "A vote for a minor party is a wasted vote" .. or: "A vote for a minor party creates instability" What ratbags say that I wonder

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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #66 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:16am

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

Compulsory voting is absolutely retarded.
I have always believed this. There is a reason pretty much every other country in the western world doesn't do it.

there is a reason why pretty much absolutely every other country ranks below Australia (with the exception of Norway) when ranking best countries to live in Cheesy

I doubt it's because of the voting system. Australia is incredibly apolitical, and the reason for that is compulsory voting; no one cares when we are forced to vote between sh1t and sh1t. Having optional voting would at least smarten the electorate up and make it more about ideology as opposed to who offers better tax cuts.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting Reply #67 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:37am voting isnt compolsoury in this country. you people are arguing against something which doesnt exist.
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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #68 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:39am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:16am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 11:17pm:

Compulsory voting is absolutely retarded.
I have always believed this. There is a reason pretty much every other country in the western world doesn't do it.

there is a reason why pretty much absolutely every other country ranks below Australia (with the exception of Norway) when ranking best countries to live in Cheesy

I doubt it's because of the voting system. Australia is incredibly apolitical, and the reason for that is compulsory voting; no one cares when we are forced to vote between sh1t and sh1t. Having optional voting would at least smarten the electorate up and make it more about ideology as opposed to who offers better tax cuts.

You're making sense for a change. OZ is at a tipping point, any more socialism, any more debt, any more expansion of government, then we'll start to go under. Massive debt will be the main culprit, even now we can't get any big infrastructure projects underway

Now we've got Herr Baird spruiking "We need a Republic" - one would hope he's also willing to stamp out the idea of perpetual debt as a continued solution for the future. Most of the Lib Lab politicians are nothing more than madmen

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting Reply #69 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:42am ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:37am: voting isnt compolsoury in this country. you people are arguing against something which doesnt exist. Well tell us all about it then, I listening
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting Reply #70 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:42am Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:42am: ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:37am: voting isnt compolsoury in this country. you people are arguing against something which doesnt exist. Well tell us all about it then, I listening i just did. What arent you understanding exactly?
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting Reply #71 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:51am Well there is a fine to pay if you don't vote. So are you suggesting the fine is for something else ?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting Reply #72 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:03am the fine is for not turning up at the polling booth and having your name ticked off.. there is no penalty for not voting.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting Reply #73 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:38am ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:03am: the fine is for not turning up at the polling booth and having your name ticked off.. there is no penalty for not voting. Look at any Office of State Revenue voting fine notice Ian, it says at the top: "Fine for failure to vote"
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Re: Detrimental effects of compulsory voting
Reply #74 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 6:44am

John Smith wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 10:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:06pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jan 25^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

Not forgetting that it's undemocratic.

No it's not. Furthermore, do you know how many people living under undemocratic rule would give their right arm to be able to cast a vote? We're lucky we have that right. Is it really that much of an obligation to be asked to tick a few boxes on some paper every few years? Poor petal!

I cant remember the figures but there was a lot of no shows and donkey votes last elecrion , unsurprising given what was available

Then that's their loss because they get no say in shaping this country, which is a shame because I take pride in being able to say my vote counted and I had a say in which direction my country will take. By the way, the figure you're looking for is 5.92% of votes at the 2013 election were marked as "informal" (source: http://electionwatch.edu.au/australia-2013/analysis/informal-voting-rise).

weren't you one of the righties claiming you would cast a informal vote rather than vote for turncoat or labor at the next election? Cheesy

No dopey, I said if Turncoat leads the party into the next election I would not vote Liberal, and I also said I would never under any circumstances vote Labor or Green. I didn't say I would cast an "informal" vote. But this illustrates why IMO compulsory voting is undemocratic. Being compelled to vote even though you disagree with a party or having to cast an 'informal vote' as a result, because not voting or attending the polling station (freedom of choice) is punishable by a fine is undemocratic.

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