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Re: The disintegration of the EU
Reply #45 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 5:16pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

It's a flawed idea and eventually destined to implode.

And yet, all the evidence points in the other direction. Nation states are knocking down trade, finance and even migration barriers quicker than at any other time in human history. This is not only multi-lateral (the EU, NAFTA, ASEAN, etc), but bi-lateral. We share a very loose "border" with New Zealand, and this is occurring between neighbours all over the world. In our region, even Burma is finally opening its borders.

The only idea destined to implode is the re-erection of trade walls and barriers. The Great Depression saw this happen, and it led, inevitably, to WWII. The architecture of the post-war world, the UN, World Bank, IMF, and yes, the European Common Market, was designed to prevent WWIII.

There is no sinister campaign for One World Socialist Government, but a form of global governance will, most likely, be required. The majority of global business today is done by multinationals, those who fly outside the radar of nation states. We are heading towards a global rule of law.

I say most likely because we could go either way. We can close the shop, draw up alliances and mobilize our forces. Or we can keep trade barriers down and search the expanding horizon for more investment opportunities. This is literally the dichotomy we face.

Personally, I can't imagine us taking the former route, but I'm not ruling it out. If we stay on the current trajectory, we will eventually need a global rule of law, in whatever form that takes. The refugee crisis in Europe is a good example of the use of a multinational forum to solve local problems. The EU will be required to manage this problem, given the borders are shared. If the EU had existed in 1939, WWII would never have happened.

Believe it. The fall of the EU, if it ever occurs, will be the opening curtain for WWIII.

You confuse, deliberately I think, trade/finance and demography and cultural character.

The EU will implode becuase of the unacceptable and unnecessary and wholly harmful influx of people from OUTSIDE the EU, and the West generally, INTO the EU and the West.

That is not trade and finance, that is demographic and cultural transformation. No economic or trade block has a mandate for that from its people. A million backward Muslims invading Euroie every year for the next few years will destroy the EU.

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Re: The disintegration of the EU
Reply #46 - Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 5:16pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

It's a flawed idea and eventually destined to implode.

And yet, all the evidence points in the other direction. Nation states are knocking down trade, finance and even migration barriers quicker than at any other time in human history. This is not only multi-lateral (the EU, NAFTA, ASEAN, etc), but bi-lateral. We share a very loose "border" with New Zealand, and this is occurring between neighbours all over the world. In our region, even Burma is finally opening its borders.

The only idea destined to implode is the re-erection of trade walls and barriers. The Great Depression saw this happen, and it led, inevitably, to WWII. The architecture of the post-war world, the UN, World Bank, IMF, and yes, the European Common Market, was designed to prevent WWIII.

There is no sinister campaign for One World Socialist Government, but a form of global governance will, most likely, be required. The majority of global business today is done by multinationals, those who fly outside the radar of nation states. We are heading towards a global rule of law.

I say most likely because we could go either way. We can close the shop, draw up alliances and mobilize our forces. Or we can keep trade barriers down and search the expanding horizon for more investment opportunities. This is literally the dichotomy we face.

Personally, I can't imagine us taking the former route, but I'm not ruling it out. If we stay on the current trajectory, we will eventually need a global rule of law, in whatever form that takes. The refugee crisis in Europe is a good example of the use of a multinational forum to solve local problems. The EU will be required to manage this problem, given the borders are shared. If the EU had existed in 1939, WWII would never have happened.

Believe it. The fall of the EU, if it ever occurs, will be the opening curtain for WWIII.

You confuse, deliberately I think, trade/finance and demography and cultural character.

The EU will implode becuase of the unacceptable and unnecessary and wholly harmful influx of people from OUTSIDE the EU, and the West generally, INTO the EU and the West.

That is not trade and finance, that is demographic and cultural transformation. No economic or trade block has a mandate for that from its people. A million backward Muslims invading Euroie every year for the next few years will destroy the EU.

And yet, you think Uncle's hanging in there, despite an historically unparallelled demographic shift due to Latino immigration. In some states Latinos are the majority. The Latin vote has come to decide elections. Spanish is now the second US language. One of the big deciders in the Republican primaries will be who appeals most to Latino voters.

And Uncle won't change this for all the tea in China. Why? Finance needs labor. Trade needs customers. Economic growth requires population growth. As Peter Costello said, demography is destiny.

Uncle's not going anywhere, old boy, and neither's the EU. Immigration and migration are one of the critical factors in both economies - a point no serious pundit denies.

Only a knucklehead would deny it, as every schoolboy knows.

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Re: The disintegration of the EU
Reply #47 - Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:41pm

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 5:16pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

It's a flawed idea and eventually destined to implode.

And yet, all the evidence points in the other direction. Nation states are knocking down trade, finance and even migration barriers quicker than at any other time in human history. This is not only multi-lateral (the EU, NAFTA, ASEAN, etc), but bi-lateral. We share a very loose "border" with New Zealand, and this is occurring between neighbours all over the world. In our region, even Burma is finally opening its borders.

The only idea destined to implode is the re-erection of trade walls and barriers. The Great Depression saw this happen, and it led, inevitably, to WWII. The architecture of the post-war world, the UN, World Bank, IMF, and yes, the European Common Market, was designed to prevent WWIII.

There is no sinister campaign for One World Socialist Government, but a form of global governance will, most likely, be required. The majority of global business today is done by multinationals, those who fly outside the radar of nation states. We are heading towards a global rule of law.

I say most likely because we could go either way. We can close the shop, draw up alliances and mobilize our forces. Or we can keep trade barriers down and search the expanding horizon for more investment opportunities. This is literally the dichotomy we face.

Personally, I can't imagine us taking the former route, but I'm not ruling it out. If we stay on the current trajectory, we will eventually need a global rule of law, in whatever form that takes. The refugee crisis in Europe is a good example of the use of a multinational forum to solve local problems. The EU will be required to manage this problem, given the borders are shared. If the EU had existed in 1939, WWII would never have happened.

Believe it. The fall of the EU, if it ever occurs, will be the opening curtain for WWIII.

You confuse, deliberately I think, trade/finance and demography and cultural character.

The EU will implode becuase of the unacceptable and unnecessary and wholly harmful influx of people from OUTSIDE the EU, and the West generally, INTO the EU and the West.

That is not trade and finance, that is demographic and cultural transformation. No economic or trade block has a mandate for that from its people. A million backward Muslims invading Euroie every year for the next few years will destroy the EU.

And yet, you think Uncle's hanging in there, despite an historically unparallelled demographic shift due to Latino immigration. In some states Latinos are the majority. The Latin vote has come to decide elections. Spanish is now the second US language. One of the big deciders in the Republican primaries will be who appeals most to Latino voters.

And Uncle won't change this for all the tea in China. Why? Finance needs labor. Trade needs customers. Economic growth requires population growth. As Peter Costello said, demography is destiny.

Uncle's not going anywhere, old boy, and neither's the EU. Immigration and migration are one of the critical factors in both economies - a point no serious pundit denies.

Only a knucklehead would deny it, as every schoolboy knows.

Not just ANY immigration, knucklehead. Not just any.

NO country needs more Muslims, Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis. They do not improve any country. They are simply not worth the trouble.

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Re: The disintegration of the EU
Reply #48 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 3:51am

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 9:36am:

The chances of a Brexit must be increasing day by day, whether David Cameron wants it or whether it might precipitate another Scottish referendum.
I think the English have had it up to here with the Scots and they've certainly had it with uninvited migrant workers and asylum seekers.

I think a Brexit would make Scottish independence LESS likely. For a start, should Brexit occur and then Scotland break away from the UK because it prefers to be in the EU then it'll find itself at the back of a queue and it could take years before it is readmitted as a new Member State. And, even if it is readmitted, it will have to join the euro at some point, despite most Scots being against joining the euro. So if a Brexit occurs despite most Scots voting to stay in and the SNP therefore call for another Scottish "independence" referendum (the SNP do not want Scottish independence. They just want to swap rule from London with rule from Brussels), these are something the Scots will have to bear in mind. They'll have to be reminded time and again that an "independent" Scotland within the EU will have to join the euro at some point, as all EU Member States have to join it as some point, with the exception of the UK and Denmark.

Also, the Scots voted to stay in the UK despite knowing that an EU in/out referendum is on the way in the future. They shouldn't expect to vote democratically to stay within the UK and then complain later when the UK votes to leave the EU. If they're so keen on staying within the EU they should have voted to leave the UK when they and the chance. Westminster could just tell the Scots to bugger off and that they're not having another referendum. Only Westminster can grant one.

Also, the Scots

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Re: The disintegration of the EU
Reply #49 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 3:58am

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm:

You just have do a quick Google search to realise that London has almost double the population but four times the unemployment of Scotland.

Scotland's unemployment rate is 6.1%.

London's unemployment rate is 7.5%. In the last two years, the number in employment in London has gone up by 312,000 – much higher than any other region.

Both are above the UK average of 5.4%.

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Reply #50 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 10:04am

Not looking good for Cameron's faux opposition to the EU:

by Raheem Kassam3 Feb 2016544

A majority of Britons believe that David Cameron’s EU renegotiation deal is “bad” for Britain, a snap poll by Sky News has revealed.
Over a thousand people were asked by Sky News whether they believed Mr. Cameron had secured a “good” or a “bad” deal for Britain, as his famous “renegotiation” came to light yesterday afternoon.

The Prime Minister was pilloried by even the pro-EU mainstream media this morning, and now it can be revealed that 69 per cent of Britons feel the same way.

Just 31 per cent said they thought Mr. Cameron had secured a good deal for Britain, with the breakdown of these figures revealing even more interesting trends.

Fifty-seven per cent of young people thought Mr. Cameron’s deal was bad, with 43 per cent being in favour. A whopping 76 per cent of those aged over 55 slammed the PM’s deal, and 70 per cent between 35 and 54 years of age called it “bad”.

Those in the North of England thought worst of the deal, while Scottish voters were most complimentary about it, with 41 per cent endorsing it.

And intriguingly, the deal was less popular with women than men. Seventy per cent of women felt Mr. Cameron had failed to secure a good deal for Britain, whereas 68 per cent of men said they felt the same.

Of all socioeconomic groups, only the richest in Britain thought that Mr. Cameron had secured a good deal. Sixty-three per cent of those polled in Experian’s ‘A’ category, According to the organisation, this group represents “the wealthiest 10 per cent of people in the UK, set in their careers and with substantial equity and net worth.”

Asked if the draft EU deal make people more or less likely to vote to stay in the EU, 44 per cent said it makes them less likely to vote to remain, and just 19 per cent said it convinces them to stay.

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Reply #51 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 10:08am

Soren wrote on Jan 31^st, 2016 at 8:41pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 30^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 5:16pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:45pm:

It's a flawed idea and eventually destined to implode.

And yet, all the evidence points in the other direction. Nation states are knocking down trade, finance and even migration barriers quicker than at any other time in human history. This is not only multi-lateral (the EU, NAFTA, ASEAN, etc), but bi-lateral. We share a very loose "border" with New Zealand, and this is occurring between neighbours all over the world. In our region, even Burma is finally opening its borders.

The only idea destined to implode is the re-erection of trade walls and barriers. The Great Depression saw this happen, and it led, inevitably, to WWII. The architecture of the post-war world, the UN, World Bank, IMF, and yes, the European Common Market, was designed to prevent WWIII.

There is no sinister campaign for One World Socialist Government, but a form of global governance will, most likely, be required. The majority of global business today is done by multinationals, those who fly outside the radar of nation states. We are heading towards a global rule of law.

I say most likely because we could go either way. We can close the shop, draw up alliances and mobilize our forces. Or we can keep trade barriers down and search the expanding horizon for more investment opportunities. This is literally the dichotomy we face.

Personally, I can't imagine us taking the former route, but I'm not ruling it out. If we stay on the current trajectory, we will eventually need a global rule of law, in whatever form that takes. The refugee crisis in Europe is a good example of the use of a multinational forum to solve local problems. The EU will be required to manage this problem, given the borders are shared. If the EU had existed in 1939, WWII would never have happened.

Believe it. The fall of the EU, if it ever occurs, will be the opening curtain for WWIII.

You confuse, deliberately I think, trade/finance and demography and cultural character.

The EU will implode becuase of the unacceptable and unnecessary and wholly harmful influx of people from OUTSIDE the EU, and the West generally, INTO the EU and the West.

That is not trade and finance, that is demographic and cultural transformation. No economic or trade block has a mandate for that from its people. A million backward Muslims invading Euroie every year for the next few years will destroy the EU.

And yet, you think Uncle's hanging in there, despite an historically unparallelled demographic shift due to Latino immigration. In some states Latinos are the majority. The Latin vote has come to decide elections. Spanish is now the second US language. One of the big deciders in the Republican primaries will be who appeals most to Latino voters.

And Uncle won't change this for all the tea in China. Why? Finance needs labor. Trade needs customers. Economic growth requires population growth. As Peter Costello said, demography is destiny.

Uncle's not going anywhere, old boy, and neither's the EU. Immigration and migration are one of the critical factors in both economies - a point no serious pundit denies.

Only a knucklehead would deny it, as every schoolboy knows.

Not just ANY immigration, knucklehead. Not just any.

NO country needs more Muslims, Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis. They do not improve any country. They are simply not worth the trouble.

What about dirty, lazy Mexicans, dear boy? You haven't said.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21163 Gender:	Re: The disintegration of the EU Reply #54 - Feb 4^th, 2016 at 12:01pm Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Feb 4^th, 2016 at 10:08am: What about dirty, lazy Mexicans, dear boy? You haven't said. What has the sub-culture of the Gold Coast got to do with it?
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Reply #55 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 9:35am

The EU wants to be a socialist only club:

In a shot across the bows of certain European politicians, the French President has spoken about the possibility of member states being suspended or expelled from the European Union (EU) if ‘right-wing’ governments come to power.
The threat to kick out EU member states who offend certain rules was made by socialist President Francois Hollande during a France Inter radio interview, reports Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten. He said a country can be “suspended” from the EU as “Europe has legal tools, through articles in treaties, to prevent a country from violating democratic principles.”

He added: “When the freedom of the media is at stake or when constitutions and human rights are endangered, Europe cannot act just as a safety net. It has to put in place procedures to suspend offending countries. It can go that far.”

In the history of the EU to date no such measure has been taken against any country. However, in a warning to certain democratically elected governments of member states, President Hollande did state that “checks” are necessary to monitor the proposed reform programme of Poland’s Law and Justice Party government.
The only EU precedent for such an action pre-dates the ability of the bloc to expel a member state. Austria was sanctioned in 2000 because of the inclusion in coalition government of the late Jörg Haider’s Freedom Party of Austria. Expelling a member state was not possible at the time, but in light of Mr. Haider’s praise for the German Nazi Party’s employment policies and his referring to concentration camps as penal camps other member states did threaten a diplomatic boycott.

In the event, other than formal EU meetings, contacts between Austria and the then 14 other member states of the EU were reduced.

Some predict that President Hollande’s proposal could end up backfiring. French voters who do not identify as ‘right-wing’ but do see themselves as Eurosceptics could end up voting for Marine Le Pen’s National Front as a means of speeding up the country’s exit from the EU.

Indeed in recent polling Ms. Le Pen’s brand of anti-mass migration euroscepticism is proving to be more popular with the voting public than President Hollande’s socialism, although she does fall marginally behind his Prime Minister, Manuel Valls.

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Nothing will break up the EU faster than the creeping power & control of the Left-wing thought police.

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