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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: What the Poor dont understand about the Rich Reply #15 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 3:30pm You think aquascoot? Clive Palmer was given the honour of representing the people in Canberra. Latest on him is that his nickel workers who made him rich have been given the boot by him without their hard earned entitlements. That just doesn't fit the equation does it?
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Reply #16 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 5:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:55pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

or, possibly, why lefties shoot themselves in the foot when they call for higher taxes on the rich Wink

What do the rich really want?
certainly not more money.
they already have enough of that.
so they dont want more money to spend it, they accumulate more money to "keep score"
The rich want honor and respect. they want to be able to walk into a room full of strangers and be recognised as someone who matters.

The lefts solution is just that we should tax the rich more.

But this does not grasp the real motivation of the rich

the rich pursue money because money in capitalism is the source of "honour"

if you try to tax the rich, they will just take their money and move.

The better strategy is to "seduce' the rich.
Honour them for their benevolence.

Honour is a powerful motivator,
soldiers will die for a victoria cross (honour)
scientists will slave away an entire life for a nobel prize (honour).

yet where is the honour offered to the rich (who are largely hated upon)

there is NO system to reward the rich for doing what we want them to do....

treat their workers well and produce safe useful and environmentally friendly products .

Society should do a deal with capitalists. it should givbe them the honour (and love) they so desperately want .

you see capitalists are narcistists and ambitious.

Set up a scheme for them being honoured for looking after their workers and the planet and they will do it.

This isnt even a revolutionary idea.

Adam Smith, one of the founders of capitalism recognised that people have 2 main motivations, the love of money and the love of glory .
so rather then wait for the rich to grow halo's, how much more sensible to seduce them with the most powerful of desires....the desire to be loved.

What? No horse story? You're an imposter.

What have you done with the REAL Aquascoot?

Tongue

Yes, I am quite suspicious.
Come on Aqua, placate us.
Say "it's just like a horse that wins .........."

a horse has a very small logical brain but a very large reactive brain.
as you train it, your aim is always to reduce the reactive and increase the logical.

humans really have no excuse, they have a very large logical brain.

if they cant see that a soldier is willing to lay down his life for little money but for the glory of his sacrifice.
if they cant see that a scientist is willing to work his entire life for little money but for the glory of a discovery.

they should be able to see that very motivated ,ambitious and intelligent people (ie the Rich) can easliy be persuaded, seduced or even tricked into being benevolent, IF and ONLY IF society gives them the adulation for their benevolence that they so deeply crave.

if you think that the accumulation of mega wealth is anything but a neurosis that we need to help the rich deal with, if you think hating them will somehow change them, you truly have work to do on your logic.

the rich are like horses in some ways.
you cant out muscle them, you can only out think them Wink

Thanks Aqua, that's a good horse posting too

One of your better ones.

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Reply #17 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 5:11pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm:

Actually the most common refrain from Victoria Cross winners is that they did their job and any one of their mates would have done the same. It's often a matter of circumstances.....

Our latest SAS VC boys are all humble, and acknowledge that anyone else could have done the same under the circumstances. They generally do not try to go out to win medals.

I like that line from the old Trooper in Band of Brothers:-

"Grampa, were you a hero?"

"No - but I served with a company of heroes."

That's more what it's all about.

maybe all ozpol members are heros grap... you have to be sometimes to put up with some of the rubbish....maybe hero is a bit of a stretch...how about gods own followers.... Roll Eyes

maybe fds disciples Cheesy

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Reply #18 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:02pm

This is all too vague. Let's go back to square one. If you make $2000 a month, you think a bloke making $10,000 is rich. He probably is not, but he could be if he didn't want so much. Too some degree, it depend what you want, but the guy making $2,000 looks rich to someone in the Sudan. And just when the bloke making $10Gs hits it big in the stockmarket, he finds he has to meet 15 different insurance policies on every aspect of his life and family, including his coffin, plus four cars, alimony, and his daughter drops out of school to live with a bass player. Rich sounds specific, but its relative until you get into really big figures which are simply not attainable for everyone.

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Reply #19 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:25pm

The thing that amazes me most about the poor, the poor that have made a lifestyle decision to be poor, which is almost all of them, is the fact that they just cannot grasp the fact that the rich are paying for their welfare and if you get rid of the rich their will be no welfare, just poverty for all.

You'd think they'd be grateful that capitalism has provided such a wonderful society that they can just sit home on their fat arses and watch TV or post on Ozpolitics all day long if they want to, instead of working, for the rest of their lives, no questions asked.

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Reply #20 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

This is all too vague. Let's go back to square one. If you make $2000 a month, you think a bloke making $10,000 is rich. He probably is not, but he could be if he didn't want so much. Too some degree, it depend what you want, but the guy making $2,000 looks rich to someone in the Sudan. And just when the bloke making $10Gs hits it big in the stockmarket, he finds he has to meet 15 different insurance policies on every aspect of his life and family, including his coffin, plus four cars, alimony, and his daughter drops out of school to live with a bass player. Rich sounds specific, but its relative until you get into really big figures which are simply not attainable for everyone.

ah , indeed issuevoter and the marketers play on this by trying to make everyone insecure.
beuatiful women having plastic surgery
rich guys who feel naked without their yacht , so they wear a 200,000 dollar watch so they can "take their yacht with them "when they go out to dinner.

But, (heres the point) the very rich keep on accumulating money precisely BECAUSE of their own insecurity AND being hated on and despised is WHAT MAKES THEM INSECURE.

you give rhinehardt, murdoch, gerry hervey an "out", a way society can make them feel respected for "being benevolent" and they will take it. Seduce them!!.
society can be like those gold digging partners who seduce them Wink

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Reply #21 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:57pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

The thing that amazes me most about the poor, the poor that have made a lifestyle decision to be poor,

you really are farken deluded aren't you?

The really surprising thing is that you can be soooooo stupid and still make more than a lot of those poor you refer too.

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Reply #22 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

The thing that amazes me most about the poor, the poor that have made a lifestyle decision to be poor,

you really are farken deluded aren't you?

The really surprising thing is that you can be soooooo stupid and still make more than a lot of those poor you refer too.

Are you one of those people that have made a decision to be poor yet feel the need to lash out in order to create a subterfuge, welfare dregs want to be welfare dregs, its a lifestyle choice, the trouble is society looks down on them so they need to blame others for their self inflicted plight in order to have a little dignity, a dignity that they don't wish to acquire through work.

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Reply #24 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

This is all too vague. Let's go back to square one. If you make $2000 a month, you think a bloke making $10,000 is rich. He probably is not, but he could be if he didn't want so much. Too some degree, it depend what you want, but the guy making $2,000 looks rich to someone in the Sudan. And just when the bloke making $10Gs hits it big in the stockmarket, he finds he has to meet 15 different insurance policies on every aspect of his life and family, including his coffin, plus four cars, alimony, and his daughter drops out of school to live with a bass player. Rich sounds specific, but its relative until you get into really big figures which are simply not attainable for everyone.

ah , indeed issuevoter and the marketers play on this by trying to make everyone insecure.
beuatiful women having plastic surgery
rich guys who feel naked without their yacht , so they wear a 200,000 dollar watch so they can "take their yacht with them "when they go out to dinner.

But, (heres the point) the very rich keep on accumulating money precisely BECAUSE of their own insecurity AND being hated on and despised is WHAT MAKES THEM INSECURE.

you give rhinehardt, murdoch, gerry hervey an "out", a way society can make them feel respected for "being benevolent" and they will take it. Seduce them!!.
society can be like those gold digging partners who seduce them Wink

............hey, that's just like horses................

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Reply #25 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:41pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:57pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

The thing that amazes me most about the poor, the poor that have made a lifestyle decision to be poor,

you really are farken deluded aren't you?

The really surprising thing is that you can be soooooo stupid and still make more than a lot of those poor you refer too.

Are you one of those people that have made a decision to be poor yet feel the need to lash out in order to create a subterfuge, welfare dregs want to be welfare dregs, its a lifestyle choice, the trouble is society looks down on them so they need to blame others for their self inflicted plight in order to have a little dignity, a dignity that they don't wish to acquire through work.

what makes you think I'm poor? sorry, but your rant is nothing but a deluded rant ... I know many rich who would disagree with you, and many poor who would flatten you.

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Reply #26 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:50pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

what makes you think I'm poor?

Your attitude, you can spot it a mile away, you are someone that wants to be poor in peace yet can't be because there are too many rich people around that are embarrassing you, this is why you work towards everyone else being poor, so that you can be poor and respectable instead of being poor and having people point their fingers at you.

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Reply #27 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:53pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

what makes you think I'm poor?

Your attitude, you can spot it a mile away, you are someone that wants to be poor in peace yet can't be because there are too many rich people around that are embarrassing you, this is why you work towards everyone else being poor, so that you can be poor and respectable instead of being poor and having people point their fingers at you.

keep trying loser . One day you'll get something right. Sure, it'll probably be by accident, but that doesn't matter, you'll be right.

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Reply #28 - Jan 20^th, 2016 at 9:00pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:53pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 8:41pm:

what makes you think I'm poor?

Your attitude, you can spot it a mile away, you are someone that wants to be poor in peace yet can't be because there are too many rich people around that are embarrassing you, this is why you work towards everyone else being poor, so that you can be poor and respectable instead of being poor and having people point their fingers at you.

keep trying loser . One day you'll get something right. Sure, it'll probably be by accident, but that doesn't matter, you'll be right.

To be honest one thing I have learned is that there really is no right or wrong, except maybe in the case of might, is being a crazy leftoid idi ot wrong?, only to me, is being a member of isis wrong, only to me, to the followers of these doctrine it is 100% right, so how do we decide what is really wrong or right, probably only by total warfare and the one that wins whether they are a muslim fanatic, a leftist commie scumbag or a right wing nut is the one that is right.

The people will decide and they will side with the one that appears to be the most powerful and likely to win.

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Reply #29 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:20am

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 20^th, 2016 at 2:27pm:

You are a lefty loser, but loser is probably not really the right word, a better word may be non achiever or underachiever but lets just say loser for now as this is a familiar term, now being a loser isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you want to be a loser you should be able to be a loser, not everyone wants to pursue a bucket of money and thats fair enough.

Unfortunately for losers though there are winners and as long as their are winners around they make losers look bad, even if the losers want to be losers and are quite comfortable in being losers it doesn't matter, they still look bad.

When you say that statement innocent, several questions come to mind

1) What defines a loser
2) How do I fit that definition
3) How do you not fit that definition

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