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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52503 At my desk.	Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much? Reply #90 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:31pm Quote: Change/growth as Dick Smith says....is not per se a good thing. Did I claim it was Aussie?
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Reply #91 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:41pm

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

Nobody seems to have explained so far how come fruit and vegetables are roughly about the same price in Coles, Woolworths, IGA, Aldi, fruit and vegetable chains (such as Trims) and small family run businesses. If charging excessive markups is the cause, as has been suggested, how come Coles and Woolworths aren't charging the consumer two or three times as much as anyone else?

Well, you can certainly find local produce at two to three times less costly than major chains. I might have to travel 15 klms to get it, as an alternative, but it is worth it, because the produce is so much fresher, the variety greater, and the local super butcher next door is also heaps cheaper than buying meat at the big guys. Plus there is no where else in between.

What I can buy there, compared to Woolies, for the same food stuffs, basically is usually at least half the price.. or twice the stuff, depending on how you look at it.

The main thing I buy from Woolies is cheap dog bicks and they DO have a few good deals worth shopping there, now and then. I usually coincide such visits with other purposes, like taking books back to the library, going to the doc or whatever.

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Reply #93 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot. regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

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Reply #94 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:31pm:

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Change/growth as Dick Smith says....is not per se a good thing.

Did I claim it was Aussie?

Soooooo.....why did you post this:

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We did not get where we are today by being afraid of change.

It seems fairly self explanatory to me Aussie. If you are unsure, check the context.

How can I put it more simply? Don't fear change.

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Reply #95 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:55pm

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:51pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:31pm:

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Change/growth as Dick Smith says....is not per se a good thing.

Did I claim it was Aussie?

Soooooo.....why did you post this:

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We did not get where we are today by being afraid of change.

It seems fairly self explanatory to me Aussie. If you are unsure, check the context.

How can I put it more simply? Don't fear change.

Okay. I'm/we are.... on a merry-go-round. Re wind to here..............

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I suppose one day when I am long gone, the citizens of the World will be hard wired to drips, not even moving out of bed for either food or a crap.....zombie like...watching whatever is coming to replace TV/www/computers........perhaps even buying babies generated from our DNA by some weird yet to be invented process.

Jolly, isn't it.

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Reply #96 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:59pm

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. Quote:

In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot.

regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

A comment for both of you.
Bananas are becoming harder and harder to grow due to a virus(?) or something, which is rapidly invading banana crops world-wide. We remain relatively unaffected, but don't expect that to last. Enjoy'm while you can.

Always check the labels, and do your best to buy Australian product. I know it is hard these days, when virtually everything comes from China.

Also, buying from op shops for clothes etc, is an excellent idea.

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Reply #97 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:00pm

freediver wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Coles and woolies are not controlling the price structure. If he doesn't like what coles and woolies are offering, he can go to ALDI, IGA, one of the smaller operators, or sell it himself on the side of the road.

At the end of the day, the price is going to drop until there are only just enough farmers to supply what is needed, at a price for which it is only marginally worth it for some of the farmers. This is true of all commodity business, and close enough to true for the rest of them. If the farmers don't like it, they should leave the industry, and then the price will go up for the rest of the farmers.

The people who are really screwing our farmers are all the other farmers who stay in the game because to them it is more than a business, it is a lifestyle. When you say that they cannot compete with foreign farmers working for 50c a day, the corollary of this is that there are other industries in Australia who would be willing to pay them more for their efforts. That is what it really means to be unable to compete - they cannot live a typical lavish Australian lifestyle while doing the same thing for a living that people in the third world can do for next to nothing. They should not expect to. We did not get where we are today by being afraid of change.

In the long run the return to the least efficient farmers will approach zero while the most efficient will have a satisfactory return. The problem as described above is some people are prepared to work for nothing and pervert the business by causing prices to be lower than they would be if the uneconomic producers got out of the business.

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Reply #98 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:07pm

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In the long run the return to the least efficient farmers will approach zero while the most efficient will have a satisfactory return. The problem as described above is some people are prepared to work for nothing and pervert the business by causing prices to be lower than they would be if the uneconomic producers got out of the business.

Rubbish. The Coles/Wollies buyers from producers are out there, controlling the market.....like this.

Coles: "I'll give you ten cents."..............and sell at 100 cents.

Woolies: "I'll give you ten cents."..............and sell at 100 cents.

IGA: "I'll give you twelve cents" ................ and sell at 100 cents.

Who is screwing who?

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Reply #99 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:24pm

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot. regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

I agree, but I dont buy their tinned or processed stuff, only the fresh veges and fruit. Its all locally sourced and cheaper .

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Reply #100 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27pm

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:24pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot. regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

I agree, but I dont buy their tinned or processed stuff, only the fresh veges and fruit. Its all locally sourced and cheaper .

I was talking about fresh mushrooms.

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Reply #101 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27pm

Emma wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. Quote:

In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot.

regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

A comment for both of you.
Bananas are becoming harder and harder to grow due to a virus(?) or something, which is rapidly invading banana crops world-wide. We remain relatively unaffected, but don't expect that to last. Enjoy'm while you can.

Always check the labels, and do your best to buy Australian product. I know it is hard these days, when virtually everything comes from China.

Also, buying from op shops for clothes etc, is an excellent idea.

I wouldnt be caught dead in an op shop.

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Reply #102 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:29pm

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:24pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot. regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

I agree, but I dont buy their tinned or processed stuff, only the fresh veges and fruit. Its all locally sourced and cheaper .

I was talking about fresh mushrooms.

Never seen any lables on the fresh stuff. anyway, eat a lot of bok choy, chinese spinach, papaya that sort of stuff.

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much? Reply #103 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:57pm ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27pm: I wouldnt be caught dead in an op shop. I was in the local Vinnie's earlier this week. I was dropping off a couple of bags of clothing rather than buying anything though.
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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #104 - Jan 25^th, 2016 at 12:16am

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

Emma wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:59pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:34pm:

Strange isnt it. Quote:

In Jakarta you cannot buy a local banana in the supermarkets. They are all imported from Australia and expensive to boot.

regardless, when in Australia i make sure to buy whatever fruit and vegetables from local small sellers. Asian food suppliers mainly, they source locally so you know you are supporting the small business owner. These places seem to be thriving.

Don't forget to check the labels though - A lot of the mushrooms sold in Asian stores in Sydney come from China.

A comment for both of you.
Bananas are becoming harder and harder to grow due to a virus(?) or something, which is rapidly invading banana crops world-wide. We remain relatively unaffected, but don't expect that to last. Enjoy'm while you can.

Always check the labels, and do your best to buy Australian product. I know it is hard these days, when virtually everything comes from China.

Also, buying from op shops for clothes etc, is an excellent idea.

I wouldnt be caught dead in an op shop.

Good for finding work clothes for the garden etc...

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