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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #45 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:30pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:22pm:

I haven't gotten round to using it yet Aussie. But it sounds great. Thanks for asking. I would be willing to tolerate compensation to cabbies for the licences they bought if the laws get changed to make uber legal.

Jolly decent of you Old Chap. But, you did not clarify the fundamental problem in your position.

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Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

The answer to that is 'yes,' as it describes to a 't' the 'disruptive' Uber model.

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Reply #47 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:40pm

In answer to the original question, fruit and veges are dirt cheap. You can grow your own for free. You can buy in season fruit and veges for next to nothing. But if you live in Darwin and eat apples instead of mangoes, expect to pay for the service you are being provided - and a lot more than what the apple farmer gets for his contribution. But they are still dirt cheap.

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Reply #48 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:49pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Ah, so coles and woolies are behaving like uber? Would you mind expanding on this analogy?

No. You posted this.

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all the little guys buy up all the produce from the farmers at a slightly higher price and suddenly coles and woolies cannot even stock a basic food item that the other shops are selling. Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

That is what Uber does. Arrive.....make big announcements which are all smoke/mirror bullshit.....boast about how successful it is...........and demand that Governments make them legal when they clearly are not. They aren't 'taxis.' They are 'ride sharers.' They don't have drivers...they have 'partners.'

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Reply #50 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:34am

Aussie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Ah, so coles and woolies are behaving like uber? Would you mind expanding on this analogy?

No. You posted this.

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all the little guys buy up all the produce from the farmers at a slightly higher price and suddenly coles and woolies cannot even stock a basic food item that the other shops are selling. Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

That is what Uber does. Arrive.....make big announcements which are all smoke/mirror bullshit.....boast about how successful it is...........and demand that Governments make them legal when they clearly are not. They aren't 'taxis.' They are 'ride sharers.' They don't have drivers...they have 'partners.'

Agreed. Public transport needs to be under regulation and not open to any person wanting to drive.... that's what you get in Fiji... 'taxis' are anyone with a vehicle who can afford the petrol...

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #51 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 12:35am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:40pm:

In answer to the original question, fruit and veges are dirt cheap. You can grow your own for free. You can buy in season fruit and veges for next to nothing. But if you live in Darwin and eat apples instead of mangoes, expect to pay for the service you are being provided - and a lot more than what the apple farmer gets for his contribution. But they are still dirt cheap.

I grow much of my own - cheap as and far better tasting..... has to be healthier than buying stuff stored for ages before you get it...

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Reply #52 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:23am

Well I think it really does depend on where and how you choose to shop, and what you eat.
Not being a 'gardener' as such, altho I still manage to grow some herbs and spices, I don't grow much food.
I buy my meat and vege, normally at locally sourced outlets. I really dislike shopping at supermarkets, but I do sometimes, for convenience. It really comes down to personal choice, or habits , or laziness, ignorance or attitude.

Woolies ?? the only supermarket within 15 klms, is so disgusting. Sad

As a little outpost, the produce here is often old, and often unfit for sale.
Ever travelled through southern NSW.? Around oh I don't know, north of Jerilderie. That is where all the Woolies stuff is warehoused and shipped from. Oh I can look it up on a recent purchase I made, Embarrassed

BUT anyhow, you see the incredible sight of an absolutely massive warehouse slowly approach, as you motor along at 100+ kph. First time I drove past I was gob-smacked.

The trucks out there are just amazing.. you can see them coming for literally minutes before they get close, it is SO FLAT.

Here 'tis
1 Woolworths Way
Bella Vista NSW 2153.

THERE is nothing around except the flat lands of the Riverina, and mirages. Well that was about 8 yrs ago, but things don't change much out there. Except the appearance of this huge warehouse.
Hmm must look it up on Google Earth.

It is amazing to me, that produce all travels there, first, from wherever, before being distributed, often back to very close to where it was produced.

Sounds crazy eh.?

Huh

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much? Reply #54 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 1:42am hah that's just what's happening. So much processed garbage, like cake.....no wonder there is an obesity epidemic/pandemic.
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Reply #55 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:21am

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:40pm:

In answer to the original question, fruit and veges are dirt cheap. You can grow your own for free. You can buy in season fruit and veges for next to nothing. But if you live in Darwin and eat apples instead of mangoes, expect to pay for the service you are being provided - and a lot more than what the apple farmer gets for his contribution. But they are still dirt cheap.

No. They're not.

I was at the checkout the other week and the woman in front of me had a trolley over-filled with packages, soft drinks, frozen foods etc. Not a fruit or a vegetable in it. Seriously. the trolley was heaped high.

I was behind her with mostly fruits and vegies. Sure i had some olive oil and coffee beans, big ticket items but it was mostly fruit and vegoes, rice, pasta, milk, cheese, eggs.

She had nothing fresh.

She paid $145.

I paid $270. And my trolley wasn't full.

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #57 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 9:09am

Aussie wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Ah, so coles and woolies are behaving like uber? Would you mind expanding on this analogy?

No. You posted this.

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all the little guys buy up all the produce from the farmers at a slightly higher price and suddenly coles and woolies cannot even stock a basic food item that the other shops are selling. Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

That is what Uber does. Arrive.....make big announcements which are all smoke/mirror bullshit.....boast about how successful it is...........and demand that Governments make them legal when they clearly are not. They aren't 'taxis.' They are 'ride sharers.' They don't have drivers...they have 'partners.'

Ah, so people only ask the government to make things legal if they are illegal?

mothra wrote on Jan 24^th, 2016 at 2:21am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:40pm:

In answer to the original question, fruit and veges are dirt cheap. You can grow your own for free. You can buy in season fruit and veges for next to nothing. But if you live in Darwin and eat apples instead of mangoes, expect to pay for the service you are being provided - and a lot more than what the apple farmer gets for his contribution. But they are still dirt cheap.

No. They're not.

I was at the checkout the other week and the woman in front of me had a trolley over-filled with packages, soft drinks, frozen foods etc. Not a fruit or a vegetable in it. Seriously. the trolley was heaped high.

I was behind her with mostly fruits and vegies. Sure i had some olive oil and coffee beans, big ticket items but it was mostly fruit and vegoes, rice, pasta, milk, cheese, eggs.

She had nothing fresh.

She paid $145.

I paid $270. And my trolley wasn't full.

Are you attempting to disagree with me? Some things to consider:

Her trolley was over-filled with packages, not food. If you took away the packaging, you probably had a lot more food.

Coffee, olive oil, cheese etc are expensive. If you took away the expensive items, your bill would probably have been less.

Cheese, rice, pasta etc are very dense food items.

Did you have any fresh, local, in season veges? Things like corn, potatoes and whatever fruit they grow locally will be dirt cheap at times. Coles and woolies may not pass the savings on to you, but they often do. But if you buy out of season cherries and goji berries you can indeed spend a fortune and come away without much food. I have never paid $270 for one grocery trip before.

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #58 - Jan 24^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04pm:

I am still waiting for you to explain what happens when they cannot meet demand (as you claimed), and IGA, ALDI, and all the little guys buy up all the produce from the farmers at a slightly higher price and suddenly coles and woolies cannot even stock a basic food item that the other shops are selling. Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

they don't go looking to Australian farmers if they can avoid it ... they send their buyers from china to brazil to some other 3rd world sh1t hole until they find it elsewhere. If they run out in the meantime, they don't stock it.

They don't need to change the rules overnight, they often keep their produce in cold storage for 6 to 12 months. The food they sell you today at todays prices they bought last year at last years prices ... meanwhile they use todays prices to scare the govt. into relaxing legislation.

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04pm:

Would you settle for an imaginary duopoly?

nothing imaginary about it. They control over 3/4's of the market in this country. If you don't think that gives them an unfair advantage than I can't help you.

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