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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #30 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 11:21am

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:40am:

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John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

Oranges this year are ridiculously expensive. Why? Because the big 2 have over the years forced the closure of most of our orchards with cheap imports, so now demand is much much higher than they can supply.

Crap. Australia is a net food exporter. If this was true, the price being received by farmers would skyrocket.

Net food exporter? I'm not talking sheep and cattle here.
A lot of our traditional crops are being dug out because the farmers can't compete with cheaper imports.

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Reply #31 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

Oranges this year are ridiculously expensive. Why? Because the big 2 have over the years forced the closure of most of our orchards with cheap imports, so now demand is much much higher than they can supply.

Crap. Australia is a net food exporter. If this was true, the price being received by farmers would skyrocket.

Net food exporter? I'm not talking sheep and cattle here.
A lot of our traditional crops are being dug out because the farmers can't compete with cheaper imports.

It is still crap. If demand is higher than they can supply, the price goes up. And if it is the supply at the farm gate that is insufficient, it is the price at the farm gate that will go up.

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #32 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:14pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

Oranges this year are ridiculously expensive. Why? Because the big 2 have over the years forced the closure of most of our orchards with cheap imports, so now demand is much much higher than they can supply.

Crap. Australia is a net food exporter. If this was true, the price being received by farmers would skyrocket.

Net food exporter? I'm not talking sheep and cattle here.
A lot of our traditional crops are being dug out because the farmers can't compete with cheaper imports.

It is still crap. If demand is higher than they can supply, the price goes up. And if it is the supply at the farm gate that is insufficient, it is the price at the farm gate that will go up.

the market was/is being flooded by cheaper foreign grown produce and local producers found they were cut out of the local market altogether. They close down the farms and now what local producers remain, can't meet demand. Supermarkets then ask for import regulations be relaxed so they can flood the market further. It's a continuous spiral that will only end when there are no local producers left. Then we can sell the farms to foreign multinationals who are backed by THEIR governments and don't mind if they lose money for a few years, because they're looking at longer term goals

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #33 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:17pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 1:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:40am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:38am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

Oranges this year are ridiculously expensive. Why? Because the big 2 have over the years forced the closure of most of our orchards with cheap imports, so now demand is much much higher than they can supply.

Crap. Australia is a net food exporter. If this was true, the price being received by farmers would skyrocket.

Net food exporter? I'm not talking sheep and cattle here.
A lot of our traditional crops are being dug out because the farmers can't compete with cheaper imports.

It is still crap. If demand is higher than they can supply, the price goes up. And if it is the supply at the farm gate that is insufficient, it is the price at the farm gate that will go up.

In a totally free market maybe, but in Australia we don't have a free market, the duopoly that is coles and woolies sets the price and you play by their rules or shut shop.

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Reply #35 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:55pm

Some of our "real" Aussie unemployed could check out this site .... IF they really want to work. You can even get some of your Centrelink payments, etc. provided you are HONEST.

http://www.fruitpickingjobs.com.au/

NOBODY should be unemployed because they "don't qualify" for a job. Mostly, the problem is that "they" don't WANT TO WORK.

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Reply #36 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 5:20pm

Neferti wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Some of our "real" Aussie unemployed could check out this site .... IF they really want to work. You can even get some of your Centrelink payments, etc. provided you are HONEST.

http://www.fruitpickingjobs.com.au/

NOBODY should be unemployed because they "don't qualify" for a job. Mostly, the problem is that "they" don't WANT TO WORK.

Closet poms are seeking nose picking jobs. Any leads?

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #38 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:08pm

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the market was/is being flooded by cheaper foreign grown produce and local producers found they were cut out of the local market altogether. They close down the farms and now what local producers remain, can't meet demand.

More crap. If the demand was still there, they would get higher prices and not close the farms. Farmers to not get together and try to all go broke at the same time so that the market goes from oversupply and low prices to undersupply and high prices with no-one actually growing anything.

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It's a continuous spiral

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In a totally free market maybe, but in Australia we don't have a free market, the duopoly

We are very far from a true duopoly. Imagine if coles and woolies ran out of a fruit under your fairy tale scenario, and the few remaining farmers only sold to IGA because they offered a better price.

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Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much?
Reply #39 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:13pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:08pm:

If the demand was still there, they would get higher prices and not close the farms.

you're not listening ... the dupopoloy won't pay their prices regardless If they did they'd have to settle for a 200% mark up instead of 600% ... we still pay $6 kg for tomatoes from buggeroffistan that they purchase for .20c kg and the duopoly uses this as an excuse to petition govt. to further relax import restrictions, which in turn leads to more farms closing down.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much? Reply #40 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:15pm If you don't think the duopoly are screwing down prices paid at the gate I can't help you.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Fruit And Vegies - Why Do They Cost So Much? Reply #41 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:16pm freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:08pm: We are very far from a true duopoly. but in the middle of a virtual duopoly
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Reply #42 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:04pm

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you're not listening ... the dupopoloy won't pay their prices regardless If they did they'd have to settle for a 200% mark up instead of 600% ... we still pay $6 kg for tomatoes from buggeroffistan that they purchase for .20c kg and the duopoly uses this as an excuse to petition govt. to further relax import restrictions, which in turn leads to more farms closing down.

I am listening. I am still waiting for you to explain what happens when they cannot meet demand (as you claimed), and IGA, ALDI, and all the little guys buy up all the produce from the farmers at a slightly higher price and suddenly coles and woolies cannot even stock a basic food item that the other shops are selling. Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

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but in the middle of a virtual duopoly

Would you settle for an imaginary duopoly?

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Reply #43 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:09pm

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I am listening. I am still waiting for you to explain what happens when they cannot meet demand (as you claimed), and IGA, ALDI, and all the little guys buy up all the produce from the farmers at a slightly higher price and suddenly coles and woolies cannot even stock a basic food item that the other shops are selling. Do you think they click their fingers and get the laws changed overnight, on the same night all the farmers go broke at the same time, before anyone notices?

Ha. Uber. But I never hear from you on that topic.

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