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Re: How china free trade deals stuffed up US manufactu
Reply #15 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 12:31pm

red baron wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 12:14pm:

The Chinese are taking this Country by stealth. Buying our farms, our firms, our real estate.....,

Try doing that in China.

The stupid Politicians will turn this Country into third world white trash with the Chinese owning our sorry arses.

Ah - you've been looking into my story development - Austrochine...... kinda like the French classic Indochine.. about the subjugation and abuse of the Indochinese people by their conquerors...

Said politicians have a few lazy bill floating in the Bahamas tax free - their retirement fund... it's called the Futures Fund... (not the Fuhrer's Funds).... as fine a piece of chicanery as you would ever meet in some dark political hall......

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Reply #16 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 12:35pm

red baron wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 12:14pm:

The Chinese are taking this Country by stealth. Buying our farms, our firms, our real estate.....,

Try doing that in China.

The stupid Politicians will turn this Country into third world white trash with the Chinese owning our sorry arses.

But you are missing the point. All of this is supposed to be good for us and bad for them Cheesy

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Reply #17 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:00pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:48am:

Sounds like a better idea than pouring taxpayer funds into ford and holden to prop up greedy unions.

How is it that Unions are greedy? They follow a path of negotiating wages and conditions under a supervised system, and workers are either paid award rates and conditions or in accordance with agreements that cannot fall below award conditions.

How does 'greedy Unions' come into that process?

Does demanding $180000 per year to work at a power station sound greedy to you?

The reason the system requires so much supervision is because of the self destructive and criminal actions of greedy unions. The laws that had to be put in place to curb union excess are evidence of union greed, not evidence they are benign.

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Reply #19 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:27pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:00pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:48am:

Sounds like a better idea than pouring taxpayer funds into ford and holden to prop up greedy unions.

How is it that Unions are greedy? They follow a path of negotiating wages and conditions under a supervised system, and workers are either paid award rates and conditions or in accordance with agreements that cannot fall below award conditions.

How does 'greedy Unions' come into that process?

Does demanding $180000 per year to work at a power station sound greedy to you?

The reason the system requires so much supervision is because of the self destructive and criminal actions of greedy unions. The laws that had to be put in place to curb union excess are evidence of union greed, not evidence they are benign.

And putting it in the hands of the profit driven private sector is a better solution ? With dickheads knocking at your door trying to offer you an imaginary 10% discount. You've got to be kidding me. !! The biggest disaster ever was to put essential services into the hands of the private sector. Bring back the SEC any day !!

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Re: How china free trade deals stuffed up US manufactu
Reply #20 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 3:57pm

red baron wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 12:14pm:

The Chinese are taking this Country by stealth. Buying our farms, our firms, our real estate.....,

Try doing that in China.

The stupid Politicians will turn this Country into third world white trash with the Chinese owning our sorry arses.

Its already third world white trash. Lee Kuan Yew anointed closet poms as the white trash of Asia.

John "closet pom" Howard snivels and grovels to Lee Kuan Yew:

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Re: How china free trade deals stuffed up US manufactu
Reply #21 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:00pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:48am:

Sounds like a better idea than pouring taxpayer funds into ford and holden to prop up greedy unions.

How is it that Unions are greedy? They follow a path of negotiating wages and conditions under a supervised system, and workers are either paid award rates and conditions or in accordance with agreements that cannot fall below award conditions.

How does 'greedy Unions' come into that process?

Does demanding $180000 per year to work at a power station sound greedy to you?

The reason the system requires so much supervision is because of the self destructive and criminal actions of greedy unions. The laws that had to be put in place to curb union excess are evidence of union greed, not evidence they are benign.

With all due respect - I would imagine that only a very few would be getting $180k pa - the majority are more likely around $60-80k. The top hands in some area of operation might cop that much - the majority certainly wouldn't.

Besides - it's not a demand unless the recipient is a wimp - it is a point of negotiation.. ask Mania - she's a world class negotiator (like Matty is a world class psychistrist - he means psychiatrist but he'd be the only one in the world without a medical degree... maybe he's studying psychology like every man, woman and his/her dog.... makes great filler for an Arts degree)...

What are these 'laws' that had to be put in place to curb Union excesses? How do they work and what are their functions?

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Reply #22 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:30pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:12pm:

With all due respect - I would imagine that only a very few would be getting $180k pa - the majority are more likely around $60-80k. The top hands in some area of operation might cop that much - the majority certainly wouldn't.

I don't believe being overpaid is a recognized cause of death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwood_Power_Station

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The rate of pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma among power industry workers was found to be seven times the national average. (Victorian State Government study, 2001). Latrobe Valley power industry workers die 15 years younger than the national average.

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Re: How china free trade deals stuffed up US manufactu
Reply #23 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 2:00pm:

Does demanding $180000 per year to work at a power station sound greedy to you?

I bet they do more than politicians who are earning double that.

You think that tradies in a power station should be paid more than the people running the country?

Ever heard the saying, pay peanuts, get monkeys?

You never answered the question about whether it sounds greedy.

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Re: How china free trade deals stuffed up US manufactu
Reply #24 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:06pm

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

You think that tradies in a power station should be paid more than the people running the country?

if they do more work, why not?

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Ever heard the saying, pay peanuts, get monkeys?

yep ... and I'd like to make sure my electricity goes on when I hit the switch

freediver wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 7:04pm:

You never answered the question about whether it sounds greedy

How can I? You haven't told me what exactly those on $180k are doing exactly. I can't know if it's greedy if I don't have all the facts.

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Re: How china free trade deals stuffed up US manufactu
Reply #25 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 8:43pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 4:30pm:

[quote author=The_Grappler link=1453071388/21#21 date=1453529548]With all due respect - I would imagine that only a very few would be getting $180k pa - the majority are more likely around $60-80k. The top hands in some area of operation might cop that much - the majority certainly wouldn't.

I don't believe being overpaid is a recognized cause of death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwood_Power_Station

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The rate of pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma among power industry workers was found to be seven times the national average. (Victorian State Government study, 2001). Latrobe Valley power industry workers die 15 years younger than the national average.

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Ouch - that I can beleive - ever smelt the Latrine Valley on your way to Malbun? It's our only way unless we divert several hundred kms via Cambra... where the smell is just as bad but of a different kind....

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Reply #26 - Jan 23^rd, 2016 at 9:58pm

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if they do more work, why not?

How would you measure the quantity of work? The hours they do?

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yep ... and I'd like to make sure my electricity goes on when I hit the switch

Wow. So many complaints about the skyrocketing price of electricity. It is refreshing to suddenly find someone who thinks reliability is more important. So tell me, if underpaying people in a power station might result in your TV not coming on, what do you think might be the consequences of underpaying the people who run the country?

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How can I? You haven't told me what exactly those on $180k are doing exactly. I can't know if it's greedy if I don't have all the facts.

Would it be greedy for a politician to take that much salary?

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