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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #30 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #31 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #32 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:15pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

really? describe exactly how these checks are done and what information is then obtained.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #33 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:21pm

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

really? describe exactly how these checks are done and what information is then obtained.

Perhaps they ask migrant communities which are like villages and know everyones business?

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #34 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:28pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

really? describe exactly how these checks are done and what information is then obtained.

Perhaps they ask migrant communities which are like villages and know everyones business?

you are telling the story. explain how these checks are done.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #35 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:31pm

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

really? describe exactly how these checks are done and what information is then obtained.

Perhaps they ask migrant communities which are like villages and know everyones business?

you are telling the story. explain how these checks are done.

I tolllld you already, old people in the community who eavesdrop on everyone are recruited by the police and immigration officers to provide detailed information on everyone in the community.

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #36 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:42pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:31pm:

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

really? describe exactly how these checks are done and what information is then obtained.

Perhaps they ask migrant communities which are like villages and know everyones business?

you are telling the story. explain how these checks are done.

I tolllld you already, old people in the community who eavesdrop on everyone are recruited by the police and immigration officers to provide detailed information on everyone in the community.

right. So you are admitting these background checks are useless. So why carry on about them?

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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #37 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:48pm

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:31pm:

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:10pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:07pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:50pm:

Australian rapist
This person is Australian. You lock him/her up. You can't deport him/her after they serve their sentence

Non-Australian rapists
More options. Don't let them in. If they are in - jail them then deport them.

Same principle can be applied to the Syrians in Germany

And how does one assess someone to be a rapist before the crime occurs, exactly? If non Australian we just assume they are? You are an nice person, please fck off with your stupidity. It's just too much now.

To label someone a "rapist" they would have committed the crime already

So your question is pretty stupid

For non-Australians background checks are critical. If they cannot be checked - don't let them in. Better be safe than sorry

And to obtain refugee status background checks are done.

really? describe exactly how these checks are done and what information is then obtained.

Perhaps they ask migrant communities which are like villages and know everyones business?

you are telling the story. explain how these checks are done.

I tolllld you already, old people in the community who eavesdrop on everyone are recruited by the police and immigration officers to provide detailed information on everyone in the community.

right. So you are admitting these background checks are useless. So why carry on about them?

not at all, I'm just making fun of you because you can't do a basic Google search.

But one thing I'll say is that of course crimes can go off the record, not all background checks will bring about absolutely every crime. you will have an error rate, it's unavoidable in all circumstances. The question is whether banning all migration is the right mitigation.

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #38 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:04am

ian wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

I'm apparently a lefty.. This, you, no you, is really pointless. There is a serious problem, how should it be dealt with? If this was my town, I would be getting really right on someone's arse. If my wife could not safely walk the streets, I'd follow at 30 paces and deal mayhem on anyone that thought she was there for them.

But that is not a leftist view

Lefties have a utopian view of the world - where everyone deserve the benefit of the doubt 20 times over

Look at our judicial system where repeat offenders are allowed to go with a slap on the wrist

So now I'm a rightie?

In this instance and based on what you've written you've converted

Congratulations

You are now liberated Grin

Any utopian belief that humans are should be give the benefit of the doubt without question is an extreme leftist view

I've always said you can't pidgeonhole lefties. Politics is a spectrum. It is convenient though.
Same in reverse, we have you, then we have Issue or Ian or 73.

Lol. Im an extreme standard now. It may surprise you that i vote Labor.

Missed this. Sorry Ian, Maqqa is the extreme, then we have...

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #39 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:18am

Interesting .

i heard on the radio this morning that the crashing oil price and commodity crisis in africa and the middle east could see another even bigger wave of migrants heading to europe.

It would seem inevitable that this will lead to the break up of the european union , a massive resurgence in nationalism and much civil unrest.

How Merkel cant see this would be beyond most people with an iota of common sense.

Women, especially middle aged women , often feel that their life has become "pointless" as their children leave them (i think merkel did not even have any children).
The creation of "drama" is a subconscious pyscho pathology to rekindle their "state"

What they are trying to do is to feel "something, anything" other then "numb/beaten down and pointless"

Its a very dangerous thing to have a drama queen in charge of the cradle of civilisation.

In many ways, it is a fuerher type mental state...a loss of contact with reality.

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #40 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:56am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:18am:

Women, especially middle aged women , often feel that their life has become "pointless" as their children leave them (i think merkel did not even have any children).
The creation of "drama" is a subconscious pyscho pathology to rekindle their "state"

What they are trying to do is to feel "something, anything" other then "numb/beaten down and pointless"

Its a very dangerous thing to have a drama queen in charge of the cradle of civilisation.

In many ways, it is a fuerher type mental state...a loss of contact with reality.

SSo, Herr Docktor Freud, is it zat she iss suffering from ze penis-envy or ze inevitable psychiatric ressponse from ein unvittting incestuous encounter viss a son she didn't know she haz und who haz just sent her vun of hiss balls... errr... hiss eyeballs zat iss.

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #41 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:16am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:56am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 7:18am:

Women, especially middle aged women , often feel that their life has become "pointless" as their children leave them (i think merkel did not even have any children).
The creation of "drama" is a subconscious pyscho pathology to rekindle their "state"

What they are trying to do is to feel "something, anything" other then "numb/beaten down and pointless"

Its a very dangerous thing to have a drama queen in charge of the cradle of civilisation.

In many ways, it is a fuerher type mental state...a loss of contact with reality.

SSo, Herr Docktor Freud, is it zat she iss suffering from ze penis-envy or ze inevitable psychiatric ressponse from ein unvittting incestuous encounter viss a son she didn't know she haz und who haz just sent her vun of hiss balls... errr... hiss eyeballs zat iss.

What is the "state' that europe feels when it wakes up every morning?

What is its "mission statement"

is it being proactive....no, it is being reactive .
does it have a plan for what it wants to be in the future...no it just seeks comfort.
there is a difference between leadership and management.
is europe taking everyone along on its "journey"?
clearly not , it is not constructing a win/win. these actions are deeply devisive
is there a sense of "positive teamwork"...no, europe seems to lunge from one crisis to the next.
is europe in an upward spiral or a downward spiral...one would suspect downward
does europe come from an "abundance" mindset or a "scarcity' mindset....increasingly it has gone into scarcity.

Is europe "surviving ' or "thriving"...it would seem surviving.

It needs a good old dose of positive psychology.
It can "awaken the giant within" but this wont happen without giving the power to the movers, shakers and innovators.

This is the secret to the USA and the reason the USA mindset is a better one.

It simply has an eternally optomistic mental frame.

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #42 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:23am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:16am:

What is the "state' that europe feels when it wakes up every morning?

Yer what? Continents wake up? Maybe Europe's on nightshift or maybe its pulling an all-nighter... Don't forget the time zones...

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:16am:

What is its "mission statement"

Deutschland über alles?

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #43 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:35am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:23am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:16am:

What is the "state' that europe feels when it wakes up every morning?

Yer what? Continents wake up? Maybe Europe's on nightshift or maybe its pulling an all-nighter... Don't forget the time zones...

aquascoot wrote on Jan 21^st, 2016 at 8:16am:

What is its "mission statement"

Deutschland über alles?

I just get a sense europe is beaten down and has given up.
"State" is a very real concept, and "leadership" is more then "managing" problems.
Citizens (like the horses in a herd..apologies...are in a state of chronic anxiety and insecurity) and require leadership.

david cameron? merkel? that whimp in france?

i wouldnt feel safe under their leadership.

you know what happens when you are in partnership with an anxious horse and you DONT provide stable, firm, resolute, unflinching and calm leadership?

bad things....it (and the anxious citizens ) have a sort of "scanning" going on trying to pick up a signal of "which direction to head". sort of like your phone scans the airwaves for a "signal"

if there is no good firm leadership signal, it will lock into another signal....right wing nut jobs, ISIS recruiters, whoever is firm, confident and has a direction.

if it locks into the wrong signal. it just might jump off a cliff with you on it.
far better to pick a direction and lead Wink

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Re: Angela Merkel's dinner guests
Reply #44 - Jan 21^st, 2016 at 9:47am

Whether one agrees with Merkel or not, it cannot be denied that for all her party's policies, she has gambled everything and the EU's cohesion on one. That kind of all-or-nothing attitude is usually associated those who lack the skills of her calling. Isn't it the Peter Principal where a person rises by competence to finally lodge at a level of their incompetence?

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