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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #75 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

You will find the same posters on these threads time and time again near on pleading for change, they're the ones that can look at it from impartial position and draw the conclusion that there is something seriously wrong with a system where anybody who makes a contribution can buy themselves a favourable outcome.

That is a statement that needs some support and explanation. There are very few examples of governments giving unfair favour to a particular group because of donations. Sure, there are some and most are related to pro-union legislation and decisions. But we dont have a graft-riddled system like so many other countries. There is a good reason why we are considered one of the handful of least corrupt nations on the planet. This is one of them.

I would think the Union example is a poor one and in fact often the opposite occurs, regularly the Unions donate to a Labor government to not get what they want. Lots of Labor government decisions over the years have not favoured the Union position. I would say that the business groups have more success in driving Liberal policy.

The RC and ICAC , which have barely scratched the surface, suggest corruption is well and truly alive in this country, right here, right now, certainly setting the bar low Longy by making a country comparison.

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Reply #76 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

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Reply #77 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:49pm

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

Yes they both suffer from the phobia of opening canned worms.

wormacanaphobia.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #78 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

Yes they both suffer from the phobia of opening canned worms.

wormacanaphobia.

Yep election campaigns are very expensive you can find donors on either side but you better make sure your donors interests are looked after if you gain power. The mining companies severely reduced their donations to Labor when Gillard introduced the MRRT.

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Reply #79 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:16pm

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

What a surprise Undecided

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #80 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:56am

It was held in the Canberra landmark, Kingston Hotel. Inside the hotel were

36 ALP delegates

deciding what Labor Party policies the looming election was to be fought on.
Outside the hotel, waiting in the Canberran cold, stood the ALP leader Arthur Calwell and his deputy Gough Whitlam.
Neither were delegates to the Conference and could take no decisive part.
Alan, ever the astute reporter, awoke his photographer mate, Vladimir Paral, and that morning the iconic pics were blazened across the pages of the Tele.
The ALP didn't win that election. If they had won, the Calwell/Whitlam Labor Government would have followed the doctrine of

36 unelected, unknown unionists.

How did 36 ALP delegates turn into 36 unknown Unionists? Grin

What were these journalists smoking at the time?

Longmania going down at four o'clock... in flames... no chutes... someone'll be writing letters to parents....

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Reply #81 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:59am

Thing I love about handling the 'right' here is that they have no conception of reality..... and blunder about like blind drunken elephants..... like shooting fish in a barrel.

Does the Liberal Party... or the Nationals... when they sit down to discuss policy for the next election..... consist ONLY of elected representatives? In a pig's asset!

Don't make me laugh... that is the most amazing beat-up storm in a teacup ever.......

I LOVE the 'right' - they are such easy meat......

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Reply #83 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:38am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

Thing I love about handling the 'right' here is that they have no conception of reality..... and blunder about like blind drunken elephants..... like shooting fish in a barrel.

Does the Liberal Party... or the Nationals... when they sit down to discuss policy for the next election..... consist ONLY of elected representatives? In a pig's asset!

Don't make me laugh... that is the most amazing beat-up storm in a teacup ever.......

I LOVE the 'right' - they are such easy meat......

were they ELECTED MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT grap?>...

ALP delegate what does that mean???>..

shouldnt they have been called MPs if they were bonafide voted in members of parliament?...

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Reply #84 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:40am

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

What a surprise Undecided

and they dont know that???? Roll Eyes

theres another surprise.... Grin

greens take donation of $1.6. million from WOTIF...the biggest donation in OZ history.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #85 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:43am

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

What a surprise Undecided

and they dont know that???? Roll Eyes

theres another surprise.... Grin

greens take donation of $1.6. million from WOTIF...the biggest donation in OZ history.. Roll Eyes

So you also agree political parties should be publicly funded? Cods, I think your turning leftie on us Wink

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #86 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:47am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

What a surprise Undecided

and they dont know that???? Roll Eyes

theres another surprise.... Grin

greens take donation of $1.6. million from WOTIF...the biggest donation in OZ history.. Roll Eyes

So you also agree political parties should be publicly funded? Cods, I think your turning leftie on us Wink

I am not sure I said that....but something has to change...

I am all in favour of pollies giving up their free passes... like overseas trips for the whole family...gold passes when they retire...let them even pay full price in the canteen and bar....

let them pay parking fees.. like the poor people do..

and all that is saved contributing to election time...

I would imagine over 4 years it would add up...

what do you think of that for an idea. Roll Eyes

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Reply #87 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:02am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:56am:

It was held in the Canberra landmark, Kingston Hotel. Inside the hotel were

36 ALP delegates

deciding what Labor Party policies the looming election was to be fought on.
Outside the hotel, waiting in the Canberran cold, stood the ALP leader Arthur Calwell and his deputy Gough Whitlam.
Neither were delegates to the Conference and could take no decisive part.
Alan, ever the astute reporter, awoke his photographer mate, Vladimir Paral, and that morning the iconic pics were blazened across the pages of the Tele.
The ALP didn't win that election. If they had won, the Calwell/Whitlam Labor Government would have followed the doctrine of

36 unelected, unknown unionists.

How did 36 ALP delegates turn into 36 unknown Unionists? Grin

What were these journalists smoking at the time?

Longmania going down at four o'clock... in flames... no chutes... someone'll be writing letters to parents....

You have to wonder about them when the best they can do is to re run a 1963 election ploy.

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Reply #88 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:12am

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:40am:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 11:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up. I

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

The Greens have introduced a bill for a federal ICAC which the Labs and Libs both say no it wont happen

What a surprise Undecided

and they dont know that???? Roll Eyes

theres another surprise.... Grin

greens take donation of $1.6. million from WOTIF...the biggest donation in OZ history.. Roll Eyes

So you also agree political parties should be publicly funded? Cods, I think your turning leftie on us Wink

I am not sure I said that....but something has to change...

I am all in favour of pollies giving up their free passes... like overseas trips for the whole family...gold passes when they retire...let them even pay full price in the canteen and bar....

let them pay parking fees.. like the poor people do..

and all that is saved contributing to election time...

I would imagine over 4 years it would add up...

what do you think of that for an idea. Roll Eyes

I think it has little to do with how to reform party donations.

But if we are gonna chat about perks - id say it needs to be reasonable. If a foreign minister spends most of their time abroad, then they should be able to see their loved ones. If however a mp goes on a one off trip, then obviously not. If a retired mp goes to speak at some forum about Australian interests, then pay for the flight. If they are going to Santorini to work on their tan, then pay your own way. Etc.

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Reply #89 - Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:31am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

I think it has little to do with how to reform party donations.

But if we are gonna chat about perks - id say it needs to be reasonable. If a foreign minister spends most of their time abroad, then they should be able to see their loved ones. If however a mp goes on a one off trip, then obviously not. If a retired mp goes to speak at some forum about Australian interests, then pay for the flight. If they are going to Santorini to work on their tan, then pay your own way. Etc

no your comment was about the tax payer paying...

and me turning lefty at least thats how I read it.. Roll Eyes

i was just suggesting way to help as the tax payer pays for all the perks MPs receive even their cheap lunches at the canteen.. Roll Eyes

the govt is all about COST SAVING isnt it??..lets start with them...of course if a minister is going overseas I dont begrudge them first class for gods sakes I dont begrudge the PM anything...Pte plane the works.. but the rest I do.. and that money should go towards the election bill being paid by the tax payers...because they already get $2.40 or something per vote if they get over the minimum required number..... so wheres that money coming from??????.. thats right the tax payer

I take it you also believe there is corruption in other donations????>.. does that mean the union as well or are they more decent than business????>.

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