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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #60 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:23pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

This kind of response is symptomatic of your extreme bias and mental imbalance. Facts are facts - even when inconvenient. Or at least they are to intelligent, sane people.

That rules you out then. Your desperation to deflect inconvenient facts is getting quite hilarious. Grin

So Bam, do you yet believe that in 1963, the ALP had 36 unionist deciding on policy and no one from the parliament? or is this extraordinary level of undue influence just a figment of imagination from the 11 million people alive at the time?

You really are making it very easy to derail you when you reject proven facts because they make you cry in shame (as they should).

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #61 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:13pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

and came with photographic evidence?

some guys standing outside a room don't prove anything Cheesy

I forgot how easy it is to make you look stupid.

ok, using that photo, prove to me there was a meeting in the room at the time?

Prove your grandparents were ever born by providing a video of their birth. In colour.

I'm not asking you to believe my grandparents were ever born ... now prove the people cited in the article were meeting in that room at the same time that photo was taken.

You surrender is accepted.

Thanks for playing!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #62 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:27pm mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:24pm: You surrender is accepted. Thanks for playing! is that your way of admitting that the photo doesn't prove anything Maria? all you had to do was shut up and the question would have died away , instead you decided to make an ass of yourself by flapping your gums
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #63 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:29pm Now while I am off enjoying a nice middle-class evening, I expect Bam to try and comeback with something embracing truth and honesty...
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #64 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:30pm Of course I was kidding! No one expects Bam to even get close to truth and accuracy, never minus bias-free! He enjoyes it too much! It is the singular joy of the intellectually-challenged.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #65 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:32pm mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:30pm: No one expects Bam to even get close to truth and accuracy, . ahhh ... Marias projecting again
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #66 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #67 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

This kind of response is symptomatic of your extreme bias and mental imbalance. Facts are facts - even when inconvenient. Or at least they are to intelligent, sane people.

That rules you out then. Your desperation to deflect inconvenient facts is getting quite hilarious. Grin

So Bam, do you yet believe that in 1963, the ALP had 36 unionist deciding on policy and no one from the parliament? or is this extraordinary level of undue influence just a figment of imagination from the 11 million people alive at the time?

You really are making it very easy to derail you when you reject proven facts because they make you cry in shame (as they should).

And again you post personal attacks and irrelevancies because you have utterly failed to come up with any response to the Liberal party's involvement with the Calabrian Mafia. I asked you about the Liberal party's involvement with the Calabrian Mafia. Several times. You have refused each time.

Why do you condone the Liberals' taking of this tainted money? By refusing to denounce it, you are condoning it.

It seems that you want the current system of donations to remain in place so your Liberal party can keep taking donations from organised crime figures.

I want the system changed so this sort of donation is no longer possible. I do not care particularly which party is affected. Our political system must not only be free of corruption, it must be seen to be free of corruption. That is not currently the case.

Do you want to retain a system of political donations that allow people involved with organised crime to funnel donations to political parties? Discuss.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #68 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Of course I was kidding! No one expects Bam to even get close to truth and accuracy, never minus bias-free! He enjoyes it too much! It is the singular joy of the intellectually-challenged.

Not long now until your predilection for abuse causes your sock to join your main account in the purgatory of forum suspension.

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Reply #69 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

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Reply #70 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #71 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:28pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying.

that's because liberals are all about themselves. Ban political donations and they'd struggle to find suitable MP's willing to do the job. They'd end up with altruistic MPs', which would go totally against their self serving nature.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #72 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:50pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

so the bickering stops lets blame the Libs... so bloody typical..

since when do the libs ever s[end $30 million in one year like the unions did...

I mean come on cant you take your head out of the Labor sucking up bucket for 5 min and think outside the bloody box????...

are you really that brain washed..

btw the GREENS have accepted the BIGGEST DONATION IN AUSTRALIA HISTORY..

$1.6 million from WOTIF>....without a blush.

so all that tosh about them being very very concerned is just that..

tosh!

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #73 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:59pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:36pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

You will find the same posters on these threads time and time again near on pleading for change, they're the ones that can look at it from impartial position and draw the conclusion that there is something seriously wrong with a system where anybody who makes a contribution can buy themselves a favourable outcome.

That is a statement that needs some support and explanation. There are very few examples of governments giving unfair favour to a particular group because of donations. Sure, there are some and most are related to pro-union legislation and decisions. But we dont have a graft-riddled system like so many other countries. There is a good reason why we are considered one of the handful of least corrupt nations on the planet. This is one of them.

I would think the Union example is a poor one and in fact often the opposite occurs, regularly the Unions donate to a Labor government to not get what they want. Lots of Labor government decisions over the years have not favoured the Union position. I would say that the business groups have more success in driving Liberal policy.

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Reply #74 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 10:10pm

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

well there goes another thread that might have done some good..

as per usual trashed by the usual suspects..

who find personal abuse is really the only reason they come on here..

what was this thread about again.....is it really about whos right... or whos wrong..with silly pics to score a point..god grow up.

For once i agree with you

Also agree - political donations are clearly a problem in this country, but as soon as the Liberals are implicated in examples of shady dealings the abuse starts flying. Some people clearly need to be banned. Permanently.

It took away time that could have been better spent showing other examples of dubious dealings, such as the recent revelations that Queensland Nickel donated about $250,000 to PUP right before sacking 237 workers. All the parties receive dubious donations, but somehow it's wrong to point out that the Liberals have one or two particularly bad examples of this.

We do need a federal ICAC.

so the bickering stops lets blame the Libs... so bloody typical..

since when do the libs ever s[end $30 million in one year like the unions did...

I mean come on cant you take your head out of the Labor sucking up bucket for 5 min and think outside the bloody box????...

are you really that brain washed..

btw the GREENS have accepted the BIGGEST DONATION IN AUSTRALIA HISTORY..

$1.6 million from WOTIF>....without a blush.

so all that tosh about them being very very concerned is just that..

tosh!

No denying they all need to be under the blow torch , I remember a program on TV awhile back, was an undercover integrity test of politicians in the US, they offered them a wad of cash , was quite shocking to see how many were on the take.

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