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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #45 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:50pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.
Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign?

The current system is riddled with "donations" in exchange for "favours". The most dubious conduct in the past 15 years involved donations from the Calabrian Mafia, when Vanstone gave favours to them to stop Mafia boss Madafferi being deported to Italy.
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In the lead-up to the 2004 election, Tony Madafferi organised a fundraiser for the Liberal party in Melbourne where Amanda Vanstone, who by then had replaced Ruddock as immigration minister, was speaking. He donated $15,000 to the Liberal party’s Millennium Forum at that event, Four Corners said.

In November 2005, Vanstone intervened in Frank Madafferi’s deportation case and had it overturned. She and other politicians involved in the decision stated it was prompted by humanitarian concerns for Madafferi’s family should he be deported, not any donations or lobbying efforts. A police report into the case found there was no suggestion that Vanstone had acted corruptly or inappropriately.

You do realise how small the amounts are for the pool of taxpayer-funded campaigns? $58 million. If we doubled that to $116 million, that would still work out to less than $2 per person per year.

Are you seriously whining about a tax impost of 4 cents a week?

Why am I not surprised about the complete lack of reference to union interference in govt and policy?

Why am I not surprised at your wilful turning a blind eye to the Calabrian Mafia's influence in Australian politics? Yet again it's pointed out to you, yet again you seem to ignore it.

Why am I not surprised at you rabbiting on like an angry, unwashed, professional protester about an incident (unproven) from over ten years ago? Why are you not commenting on today's union-based undue influence?

The answer is obvious.

what is unproven?

donations from Mafia - check
Vanstone overturned a deportation order shortly afterwards - check

oh wait, you won't accept it without a signed confession from Vanstone Cheesy

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #46 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

If I were you, I would be worrying more about the undue influence of the Calabrian Mafia on the Liberal party and finding constructive ways of ending it.

Good to see that you one eye is still working, firmly pointed anywhere other than where your blind eye is looking. You are hopelessly partisan and biased. Just can't see fault in unions or the ALP.

Well fortunately, the polls tell us that your beloved - albeit it corrupt and incompetent - will remain in opposition, probably for another few terms.

Ad hominem, hypocrisy, outright lies and irrelevancies, all in the space of two short and barely-coherent paragraphs.

You sure are desperate not to discuss the links of the Calabrian Mafia with the Liberals. Why won't you discuss this?

I liked her comment about the one eye .... for a moment there I thought she must have been talking into a mirror

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mariacostel

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #47 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:49pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:38pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

If I were you, I would be worrying more about the undue influence of the Calabrian Mafia on the Liberal party and finding constructive ways of ending it.

Good to see that you one eye is still working, firmly pointed anywhere other than where your blind eye is looking. You are hopelessly partisan and biased. Just can't see fault in unions or the ALP.

Well fortunately, the polls tell us that your beloved - albeit it corrupt and incompetent - will remain in opposition, probably for another few terms.

Ad hominem, hypocrisy, outright lies and irrelevancies, all in the space of two short and barely-coherent paragraphs.

You sure are desperate not to discuss the links of the Calabrian Mafia with the Liberals. Why won't you discuss this?

I deny it exists. The real problem is how you deny the undue influence of the union movement on the ALP.

You really don't like looking in your own backyard, do you?

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #48 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.
Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign?

The current system is riddled with "donations" in exchange for "favours". The most dubious conduct in the past 15 years involved donations from the Calabrian Mafia, when Vanstone gave favours to them to stop Mafia boss Madafferi being deported to Italy.
Quote:

In the lead-up to the 2004 election, Tony Madafferi organised a fundraiser for the Liberal party in Melbourne where Amanda Vanstone, who by then had replaced Ruddock as immigration minister, was speaking. He donated $15,000 to the Liberal party’s Millennium Forum at that event, Four Corners said.

In November 2005, Vanstone intervened in Frank Madafferi’s deportation case and had it overturned. She and other politicians involved in the decision stated it was prompted by humanitarian concerns for Madafferi’s family should he be deported, not any donations or lobbying efforts. A police report into the case found there was no suggestion that Vanstone had acted corruptly or inappropriately.

You do realise how small the amounts are for the pool of taxpayer-funded campaigns? $58 million. If we doubled that to $116 million, that would still work out to less than $2 per person per year.

Are you seriously whining about a tax impost of 4 cents a week?

Why am I not surprised about the complete lack of reference to union interference in govt and policy?

Why am I not surprised at your wilful turning a blind eye to the Calabrian Mafia's influence in Australian politics? Yet again it's pointed out to you, yet again you seem to ignore it.

Why am I not surprised at you rabbiting on like an angry, unwashed, professional protester

... and under pressure, you are split asunder into little pieces.

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about an incident (unproven) from over ten years ago? Why are you not commenting on today's union-based undue influence?

So in the space of six posts in this thread you posted unproven irrelevancies from 1963 and then dismiss other stuff more relevant to the topic of the thread because it was "over ten years ago". It is quite amusing how your timeframe for relevance shrinks so dramatically when it's the Liberals under the microscope. Roll Eyes

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The answer is obvious.

Yes, the answer is obvious ... you are clearly under directions from Liberal Party HQ not to allow discussion on this topic for any reason.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #49 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:02pm Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:57pm: So in the space of six posts in this thread you posted unproven irrelevancies from 1963 and then dismiss other stuff more relevant to the topic of the thread because it was "over ten years ago" clever ... no?
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #50 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 6:11pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:57pm: