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Reply #15 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

Because any other alternative will lead to corruption.

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Reply #16 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:30pm

Bam wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 1:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.
Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign?

The current system is riddled with "donations" in exchange for "favours". The most dubious conduct in the past 15 years involved donations from the Calabrian Mafia, when Vanstone gave favours to them to stop Mafia boss Madafferi being deported to Italy.
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In the lead-up to the 2004 election, Tony Madafferi organised a fundraiser for the Liberal party in Melbourne where Amanda Vanstone, who by then had replaced Ruddock as immigration minister, was speaking. He donated $15,000 to the Liberal party’s Millennium Forum at that event, Four Corners said.

In November 2005, Vanstone intervened in Frank Madafferi’s deportation case and had it overturned. She and other politicians involved in the decision stated it was prompted by humanitarian concerns for Madafferi’s family should he be deported, not any donations or lobbying efforts. A police report into the case found there was no suggestion that Vanstone had acted corruptly or inappropriately.

You do realise how small the amounts are for the pool of taxpayer-funded campaigns? $58 million. If we doubled that to $116 million, that would still work out to less than $2 per person per year.

Are you seriously whining about a tax impost of 4 cents a week?

Why am I not surprised about the complete lack of reference to union interference in govt and policy?

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Reply #17 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:32pm

It was in the early hours of Friday, March 22, 1963 when Alan Reid was reporting on the ALP's Federal Conference. It was held in the Canberra landmark, Kingston Hotel. Inside the hotel were 36 ALP delegates deciding what Labor Party policies the looming election was to be fought on.
Outside the hotel, waiting in the Canberran cold, stood the ALP leader Arthur Calwell and his deputy Gough Whitlam.
Neither were delegates to the Conference and could take no decisive part.
Alan, ever the astute reporter, awoke his photographer mate, Vladimir Paral, and that morning the iconic pics were blazened across the pages of the Tele.
The ALP didn't win that election. If they had won, the Calwell/Whitlam Labor Government would have followed the doctrine of 36 unelected, unknown unionists.
Little has changed since. You see, the Labor Party is the creation of unions and is jealously guarded as the political arm of power-brokers. Those who do well within the union structure are rewarded with one of many inner-suburban "safe" seats. Until recently a Labor Prime Minister was unable to even choose his Ministers.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #18 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:44pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

I am struggling to see where you found Bias in my post.

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Reply #19 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

You don't think that banning all donations include unions for some reason ?

policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies

You think that Unions are excluded from this group ?

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #20 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:58pm

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:44pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

I am struggling to see where you found Bias in my post.

They find Bias in the ABC - if your not with them you are against them, balanced comment is not with them.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #21 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:09pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 1:22pm:

Typical socialists! You want money, especially to maintain or gain political power, steal it from the taxpayers (or coerce it from the workers).

If the parties of the left have such a great message to convey, they won't go short of donations from the public, including business who after all have a vested interest in a stable & prosperous society.

I think you're missing the point (not surprising) .... it's not a left v's right thing. It's a democracy thing. It's not like either the ALP or the LNP are short of donations. That those donations however make them reliant on the donors means that they do whats best for their donors rather than whats best for the public they are supposed to represent.

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Reply #22 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

If turncoat bans political donations even I'll vote for him ..... but he won't do it

Turnbull won't need your vote. If the ALP were starved entirely of union donations then they couldnt run an internet ad, nevermind a TV election campaign. I don't know why you are all so desperate to get rid of political donations since it will totally destroy any chance a new party has if getting started and make the ALP virtually unheard. Remember that the coalition gets nearly 35% more of the vote than the ALP which if funding were on a per-vote basis would mean the Libs would get far more funding.

A bright little labor-supporter (do they exist) would not want the end of political donations and anyone wanting a new party might as well throw the idea away entirely.

spoken like a true rusted on more on ..

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Reply #23 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

I would have thought that if you were really so worried about undue union influence, you'd be all for abolishing political donation .... Cheesy

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Reply #25 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:17pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

It was in the early hours of Friday, March 22, 1963 when Alan Reid was reporting on the ALP's Federal Conference. It was held in the Canberra landmark, Kingston Hotel. Inside the hotel were 36 ALP delegates deciding what Labor Party policies the looming election was to be fought on.
Outside the hotel, waiting in the Canberran cold, stood the ALP leader Arthur Calwell and his deputy Gough Whitlam.
Neither were delegates to the Conference and could take no decisive part.
Alan, ever the astute reporter, awoke his photographer mate, Vladimir Paral, and that morning the iconic pics were blazened across the pages of the Tele.
The ALP didn't win that election. If they had won, the Calwell/Whitlam Labor Government would have followed the doctrine of 36 unelected, unknown unionists.
Little has changed since. You see, the Labor Party is the creation of unions and is jealously guarded as the political arm of power-brokers. Those who do well within the union structure are rewarded with one of many inner-suburban "safe" seats. Until recently a Labor Prime Minister was unable to even choose his Ministers.

wow, you couldn't find anything more relevant than 60 yrs ago? Grin

I'm surprised you haven't issued a public warning that the Japanese are going to invade Cheesy

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Reply #26 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:24pm

You will find the same posters on these threads time and time again near on pleading for change, they're the ones that can look at it from impartial position and draw the conclusion that there is something seriously wrong with a system where anybody who makes a contribution can buy themselves a favourable outcome.

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Reply #27 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:44pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

I am struggling to see where you found Bias in my post.

The mention of companies and yet no mention of unions.

Or was that just something you forgot and now wish to include?

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #28 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

If I were you, I would be worrying more about the undue influence of the Calabrian Mafia on the Liberal party and finding constructive ways of ending it.

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Reply #29 - Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

macman wrote on Jan 16^th, 2016 at 5:30am:

'I don't care as long as the tax-payer doesn't have to pay for it'.

Exactly the right wing attitude that fosters the corrupt ' brown paper bag' thinking in the liberal party.

Why should my tax pay for anyone's election campaign? Pay for it yourself.

I would prefer to pay for it knowing when these policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies , how can you say with any conviction this is the case when you have these companies and individuals donating huge sums to political parties . I am no illusion its not the government of the day running any country.

I think you forgot to include the over-powering influence of the unions on the ALP or does undue influence only matter when it is no the other side of the political divide?

You don't think that banning all donations include unions for some reason ?

policy decisions are made its for the consumer and not for powerful constituencies

You think that Unions are excluded from this group ?

If you are willing to unequivocally include unions in that, then fine. But you are happy for unions to donate to the ALP, right? You don't think that comes with strings attached?

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