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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #120 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

It is a supreme irony to read you, Grappler, talking about no conception of reality when so much of what you say is psychotic fantasy. The point is that the Federal Conference of the Libs decide on policies and the Caucus and Cabinet make the final decisions. Now, the ALP runs along similar signs but in 1963, the caucus had ZERO input into policies and it was all decided by the labor-movement.

A little education would help you enormously.

Here is your education:-

Highlight 1 - Your even saying that based on nothing at all is psychotic fantasy.

Highlight 2 - the article clearly says LABOR PARTY delegates. WTS do you imagine 'caucus' etc are? They are PARTY delegates who get the gig through the system of the Party.

NOWHERE does it say the 'faceless men' were Union delegates, and you are tangling yourself up in words.

Fish in a barrel.... Grin

You are one-of-a-kind (fortunately). You are like JS in that you are deficient in reasoning skills to the extent that unless something is spoon-fed to you in digestable portions, you cannot understand or accept it. The FACTS are that these were union people as the writer and readers of this highly documented and publicised event knew at the time.

You live in a fantasy world where your opinions morph into facts and other real-world facts turn into cotton-candy.

You are however entertaining... in a zoo-animal kind of way. JS is just garden variety stupid.

You were spoon fed on precisely the wording of the newspaper article - what part of LABOR

PARTY

DELEGATES do you not understand. Do you challenge the right of Liberal members appointed as delegates to the policy conference to attend because they are business people or whatever?

You are such a child..... and have not one iota of support for one thing you say.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #121 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:57pm

Bam wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

to replace them with what???...

Taxpayer funding of campaigns with a spending cap. The taxpayer already funds election campaigns. Each candidate gets about $2.50 per vote if they get over 4%. Why not double this and ban donations?

It's rather simple isn't it, the outrage at having an open and accountable government that represents it's constituents , oh the horror.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #122 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:01pm Its time wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:57pm: It's rather simple isn't it, the outrage at having an open and accountable government that represents it's constituents , oh the horror. I honestly can't see why anyone would object to it unless they're trying to protect their own pockets
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #123 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:03pm

Bam wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

to replace them with what???...

Taxpayer funding of campaigns with a spending cap. The taxpayer already funds election campaigns. Each candidate gets about $2.50 per vote if they get over 4%. Why not double this and ban donations?

it could be all they can do....but imagine the outcry...the whingers would be out in force...

the accountability would need looking at as well. look at how Bill shorten didnt account for his $40.000 worth of campaign managers donation for 8 years....everything need over hauling..the loss of vote in W.A.. how the hell does that happen???... how the hell do we know it doesnt go on more and more???.......we dont do we?...

were mugs its like being in a shooting gallery....

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #124 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

Its time wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:57pm:

It's rather simple isn't it, the outrage at having an open and accountable government that represents it's constituents , oh the horror.

I honestly can't see why anyone would object to it unless they're trying to protect their own pockets

I have no objections to chipping in to make it happen , after a Fed ICAC to clean house and mandatory jail terms for even the most minor infractions imposed for those that still want to have a stab at lining their own pockets.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89852 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #125 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:11pm LongMania driven from the field! Retreating! Send in the cavalry and hound him to the gates of Berlin....
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #126 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

LongMania driven from the field! Retreating! Send in the cavalry and hound him to the gates of Berlin....

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nah, she's probably just gone to put her pants back on ... she'll come back, tell you how stupid you are, probably take a pot shot at me and then declare herself the winner.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #127 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

Bam wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

to replace them with what???...

Taxpayer funding of campaigns with a spending cap. The taxpayer already funds election campaigns. Each candidate gets about $2.50 per vote if they get over 4%. Why not double this and ban donations?

Then how do you get to be a candidate initially since you cannot take donations and you never ran before?

You seem afraid of the fact that the Libs get more donations than Labor. You could at least try and be less-partisan.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #128 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:37pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

It is a supreme irony to read you, Grappler, talking about no conception of reality when so much of what you say is psychotic fantasy. The point is that the Federal Conference of the Libs decide on policies and the Caucus and Cabinet make the final decisions. Now, the ALP runs along similar signs but in 1963, the caucus had ZERO input into policies and it was all decided by the labor-movement.

A little education would help you enormously.

Here is your education:-

Highlight 1 - Your even saying that based on nothing at all is psychotic fantasy.

Highlight 2 - the article clearly says LABOR PARTY delegates. WTS do you imagine 'caucus' etc are? They are PARTY delegates who get the gig through the system of the Party.

NOWHERE does it say the 'faceless men' were Union delegates, and you are tangling yourself up in words.

Fish in a barrel.... Grin

You are one-of-a-kind (fortunately). You are like JS in that you are deficient in reasoning skills to the extent that unless something is spoon-fed to you in digestable portions, you cannot understand or accept it. The FACTS are that these were union people as the writer and readers of this highly documented and publicised event knew at the time.

You live in a fantasy world where your opinions morph into facts and other real-world facts turn into cotton-candy.

You are however entertaining... in a zoo-animal kind of way. JS is just garden variety stupid.

You were spoon fed on precisely the wording of the newspaper article - what part of LABOR

PARTY

DELEGATES do you not understand. Do you challenge the right of Liberal members appointed as delegates to the policy conference to attend because they are business people or whatever?

You are such a child..... and have not one iota of support for one thing you say.

Dear insane-dribbler. You are trying to pretend a well-documented event did not take place as reported. Please advise your doctor that your medication is not working.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #129 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Bam wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

to replace them with what???...

Taxpayer funding of campaigns with a spending cap. The taxpayer already funds election campaigns. Each candidate gets about $2.50 per vote if they get over 4%. Why not double this and ban donations?

Then how do you get to be a candidate initially since you cannot take donations and you never ran before?

You seem afraid of the fact that the Libs get more donations than Labor. You could at least try and be less-partisan.

I doubt that many people would even know if that were true or not, it seems to me that every election campaign the conservatives are all crying because of union donations, we would be forgiven for thinking this was much more than the Liberals get.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #130 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:39pm I keep telling you the problems with the idea and being the dim-witted souls that you are, you just march on regardless with nary a thought for the practical problems. That is why no one in authority ever asks your opinions on anything.
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #131 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:45pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

I keep telling you the problems with the idea and being the dim-witted souls that you are, you just march on regardless with nary a thought for the practical problems.

That is why no one in authority ever asks your opinions on anything.

Go on then who in authority asks your opinion ?

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #132 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:50pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

I keep telling you the problems with the idea and being the dim-witted souls that you are, you just march on regardless with nary a thought for the practical problems.

That is why no one in authority ever asks your opinions on anything.

Do you think this is the first time this topic has been discussed? The 'problems' you whinge about have been dealt with. Simple solutions have been offered. You want to find out what they were go searching for them. No one here needs to repeat themselves just because you're incapable of independent thought.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #133 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

Its time wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:39pm:

I keep telling you the problems with the idea and being the dim-witted souls that you are, you just march on regardless with nary a thought for the practical problems.

That is why no one in authority ever asks your opinions on anything.

Go on then who in authority asks your opinion ?

this will be interesting

who do you think is in authority? longy or Maria?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #134 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 3:59pm This is why I rarely post in PolSux. You just get abuse from Longy who, like Armpit, knows nothing more than the Lib propaganda line. He can never post a link or even something that at least looks like a fact. When horse boy posts you at least get a laugh out of the fantasy he writes.
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