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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #105 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

Thing I love about handling the 'right' here is that they have no conception of reality..... and blunder about like blind drunken elephants..... like shooting fish in a barrel.

Does the Liberal Party... or the Nationals... when they sit down to discuss policy for the next election..... consist ONLY of elected representatives? In a pig's asset!

Don't make me laugh... that is the most amazing beat-up storm in a teacup ever.......

I LOVE the 'right' - they are such easy meat......

It is a supreme irony to read you, Grappler, talking about no conception of reality when so much of what you say is psychotic fantasy. The point is that the Federal Conference of the Libs decide on policies and the Caucus and Cabinet make the final decisions. Now, the ALP runs along similar signs but in 1963, the caucus had ZERO input into policies and it was all decided by the labor-movement.

A little education would help you enormously.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #106 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:33am

Bam wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

So you also agree political parties should be publicly funded? Cods, I think your turning leftie on us Wink

I am not sure I said that....but something has to change...

I am all in favour of pollies giving up their free passes... like overseas trips for the whole family...gold passes when they retire...let them even pay full price in the canteen and bar....

let them pay parking fees.. like the poor people do..

and all that is saved contributing to election time...

I would imagine over 4 years it would add up...

what do you think of that for an idea. Roll Eyes

It is definitely an idea worth considering. The trouble is, the ones who would lose out are also the ones who make the rules.

Executives of public companies have to get 75% approval of their packages from the shareholders. Why can't politicians get their packages confirmed in the same way? If politician perks and even pay rises were subject to a confirmation vote at a plebiscite, they would be a lot more interested in serving the needs of the people.

It won't work as a way of saving money though, for the simple reason that the cost of running the plebiscite would be greater than the amount saved.

Plus the fact that no plebiscite would ever endorse a salary at all for MPs nevermind good ones. And executives of companies do NOT need to get approval from shareholders. New legislation gives shareholders to right to question and review - within limits - but not to approve packages.

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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #107 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:34am perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm: Agreed! Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal! And replaced with... nothing of course.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #108 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:35am mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:34am: perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm: Agreed! Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal! And replaced with... nothing of course. Public funding of political parties.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #109 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:37am mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:20am: Has it ever occurred to you that the reporters AT THE TIME might have known just a tad more than you do now 53 years later? might, or might not .... it wouldn't be the first time a journalist has made up 'facts'.
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #110 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:21am

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:20am:

Has it ever occurred to you that the reporters AT THE TIME might have known just a tad more than you do now 53 years later?

might, or might not .... it wouldn't be the first time a journalist has made up 'facts'.

It was a major scandal at the time. Nobody disputes it, not even the ALP. Let me guess... Whitlam's Dismissal was all a Murdoch fabrication, right? It never really happend. All the journos made it up and conned everyone, just as they all did in 1963

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #111 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:23am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

And replaced with...

nothing of course.

Public funding of political parties.

Hod do start-up parties get initial funding since donations are now illegal. Presumably that would mean that only rich people like Palmer and co can start up parties. And how does the ALP operate since union donations would also be illegal?

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #112 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:24am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:20am:

Has it ever occurred to you that the reporters AT THE TIME might have known just a tad more than you do now 53 years later?

might, or might not .... it wouldn't be the first time a journalist has made up 'facts'.

It was a major scandal at the time. Nobody disputes it, not even the ALP. Let me guess... Whitlam's Dismissal was all a Murdoch fabrication, right? It never really happend. All the journos made it up and conned everyone, just as they all did in 1963

with your penchant for making crap up, lets just say I need a little more than your word for anything.

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #113 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:25am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

And replaced with...

nothing of course.

Public funding of political parties.

Hod do start-up parties get initial funding since donations are now illegal. Presumably that would mean that only rich people like Palmer and co can start up parties. And how does the ALP operate since union donations would also be illegal?

derrr . public funding Cheesy

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Reply #114 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:54am

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:20am:

Has it ever occurred to you that the reporters AT THE TIME might have known just a tad more than you do now 53 years later?

might, or might not .... it wouldn't be the first time a journalist has made up 'facts'.

It was a major scandal at the time. Nobody disputes it, not even the ALP. Let me guess... Whitlam's Dismissal was all a Murdoch fabrication, right? It never really happend. All the journos made it up and conned everyone, just as they all did in 1963

with your penchant for making crap up, lets just say I need a little more than your word for anything.

And what would be enough to prove it to you? I gave a newspaper article and an actual photo. Plus, anyone with any moderate political history knowledge wouldn't ever question it.

You've been told multiple times why people wont give you links. This is why. You are given them and you simply refuse to accept it anyhow. If a fact is inconvenient, you reject it.

You are by every definition, a fool.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #115 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:57am mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 9:54am: And what would be enough to prove it to you? 'credibility' ..... unfortunately for you, it's something you are missing and are never likely to gain. It's what happens when you continuously flap your gums.
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #116 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:16am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

It is a supreme irony to read you, Grappler, talking about no conception of reality when so much of what you say is psychotic fantasy. The point is that the Federal Conference of the Libs decide on policies and the Caucus and Cabinet make the final decisions. Now, the ALP runs along similar signs but in 1963, the caucus had ZERO input into policies and it was all decided by the labor-movement.

A little education would help you enormously.

Here is your education:-

Highlight 1 - Your even saying that based on nothing at all is psychotic fantasy.

Highlight 2 - the article clearly says LABOR PARTY delegates. WTS do you imagine 'caucus' etc are? They are PARTY delegates who get the gig through the system of the Party.

NOWHERE does it say the 'faceless men' were Union delegates, and you are tangling yourself up in words.

Fish in a barrel.... Grin

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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #117 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

It is a supreme irony to read you, Grappler, talking about no conception of reality when so much of what you say is psychotic fantasy. The point is that the Federal Conference of the Libs decide on policies and the Caucus and Cabinet make the final decisions. Now, the ALP runs along similar signs but in 1963, the caucus had ZERO input into policies and it was all decided by the labor-movement.

A little education would help you enormously.

Here is your education:-

Highlight 1 - Your even saying that based on nothing at all is psychotic fantasy.

Highlight 2 - the article clearly says LABOR PARTY delegates. WTS do you imagine 'caucus' etc are? They are PARTY delegates who get the gig through the system of the Party.

NOWHERE does it say the 'faceless men' were Union delegates, and you are tangling yourself up in words.

Fish in a barrel.... Grin

You are one-of-a-kind (fortunately). You are like JS in that you are deficient in reasoning skills to the extent that unless something is spoon-fed to you in digestable portions, you cannot understand or accept it. The FACTS are that these were union people as the writer and readers of this highly documented and publicised event knew at the time.

You live in a fantasy world where your opinions morph into facts and other real-world facts turn into cotton-candy.

You are however entertaining... in a zoo-animal kind of way. JS is just garden variety stupid.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Time to overhaul political donations Reply #118 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:05pm mariacostel wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 11:41am: The FACTS are that these were union people as the writer and readers of this highly documented and publicised event knew at the time. the article you provided said they were ALP delegates .... what part of that do you struggle with?
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Re: Time to overhaul political donations
Reply #119 - Jan 18^th, 2016 at 12:37pm

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2016 at 6:38am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jan 17^th, 2016 at 3:02pm:

Agreed!

Political donations should simply be banned, be made illegal!

to replace them with what???...

Taxpayer funding of campaigns with a spending cap. The taxpayer already funds election campaigns. Each candidate gets about $2.50 per vote if they get over 4%. Why not double this and ban donations?

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