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Reply #30 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:20am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 6:04pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 5:22pm:
What utter nonsense.

It's testament to the stupidity of the Indonesian government for allowing those who went to fight with ISIS back into the country again.

These 14 terrorists started their activities in a part of Jakarta known to be frequented by foreign tourists.



Good point, Herbie. Indonesia needs to.ban Islam too.

Ban them. Kill them.

Oh - we can’t. They. killed themselves.

We’ll have to nuke them.



These two posts is the central problem to why I call leftards stupid

Herbert was directly referring to ISIS fighters. Karnal's reply was with a ban on Islam in Indonesia

It was never about a ban on Islam.

It's the leftards that demonise people with with name calling such as "Islamophobia" every time we talk about the worldwide terrorist network suicide bombers who are muslims.

The only thing that fundamentally link all of these terrorism is they are radical muslims
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Reply #31 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:25am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:10am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 4:22am:
Yessssss... Australia is always the target and the only way for terrorists to get to Australia is via boats. There are no other methods of getting to Australia. No visa on arrival entry for certain nationalities,in fact only way to obtain visa is via arrival by boats. It's the only way. No other ways to get to Australia.


Can you please do us all a favour and just stop talking? Not forever... Unless you want to. 


Only leftwards thinks this is the only way. We on the right believe there are many ways.

We should identify each of these paths and close them off one by one to terrorists


Exactly. Look what we did to Johnny Depp’s dogs.
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Reply #32 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:27am
 
Maqqa wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 11:20am:
Melanias purse wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 6:04pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 5:22pm:
What utter nonsense.

It's testament to the stupidity of the Indonesian government for allowing those who went to fight with ISIS back into the country again.

These 14 terrorists started their activities in a part of Jakarta known to be frequented by foreign tourists.



Good point, Herbie. Indonesia needs to.ban Islam too.

Ban them. Kill them.

Oh - we can’t. They. killed themselves.

We’ll have to nuke them.



These two posts is the central problem to why I call leftards stupid

Herbert was directly referring to ISIS fighters. Karnal's reply was with a ban on Islam in Indonesia

It was never about a ban on Islam.

It's the leftards that demonise people with with name calling such as "Islamophobia" every time we talk about the worldwide terrorist network suicide bombers who are muslims.

The only thing that fundamentally link all of these terrorism is they are radical muslims


Did you read this,.Herbie? This one thinks it’s not about Islam.

I’ll let you deal with it, Herbie.
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Reply #33 - Jan 16th, 2016 at 12:37pm
 
Muslims killed at least 20 at a hotel in Burkina Faso today. Large numbers were killed in Mali in 2015. There was Tunisia, Paris, Istanbul, California, Tennessee, Philippines, and throughout the Middle East where Muslim fanaticism is passed off as sectarian. It is almost a daily occurrence now somewhere in the world. The religion of peace is winning alright. Its just the peace part that is wrong. I think I have said this before at least once: Gandalf, what you may have once had for intelligence is now lost in orientalism.
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Reply #34 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 12:37am
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/01/16/burkina-faso-attack/78892196...


A bloody terrorist attack that left 23 people dead in Burkina Faso's capital ended Saturday after national and French security forces raided an upscale hotel in the capital, killing four extremists and freeing 126 hostages.

The dead included people of 18 different nationalities, the BBC reported. Among the freed hostages was the country's labor minister.

Three of the terrorists, believed to belong to a local al-Qaeda affiliate, were killed in the assault on the Hotel Splendid, a popular meeting place for foreign tourists and United Nations staff in central Ouagadougou. A fourth attacker was killed nearby.

The raid to end the siege was mounted after dozens of French forces arrived overnight from neighboring Mali. One U.S. military member was embedded with French forces at the scene, and the United States was working to help provide France with surveillance and reconnaissance help, according to a U.S. senior defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, the AP reported.

The attack in the capital of the landlocked West African country began late Friday when the terrorists seized the hotel and the nearby Cappuccino Cafe and set fire to several cars, according to AFP. Burkina Faso’s Internal Affairs Minister Simon Compaore said 10 bodies were found inside the cafe after the siege ended.

The terrorist group known as AQIM, or al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, claimed responsibility online as the attack was unfolding at the 147-room hotel, according to SITE Intelligence Group, a U.S.-based organization that monitors jihadists' online activity.

In a message posted in Arabic on the extremists’ “Muslim Africa” Telegram account, the group said fighters “broke into a restaurant of one of the biggest hotels in the capital of Burkina Faso, and are now entrenched and the clashes are continuing with the enemies of the religion.” Fighters who spoke by phone later “asserted the fall of many dead Crusaders,” AQIM said, according to SITE.

The same group is believed responsible for a similar siege at an upscale hotel in Bamako, Mali in November that left 20 dead.

While Burkina Faso, a largely Muslim country, has largely been spared the violence wracked by Islamic extremist groups in Mali, a Romanian national was abducted last April.

Two of the attackers were women, President Roch Marc Christian Kabore said on national radio, according to the Associated Press.

The French Ambassador, Gilles Thibault, however, gave a higher death toll of 27 and denied any women were among the dead militants, the BBC reported. He also tweeted that 150 people from 18 countries had been rescued.

The attacks follow growing tension in Burkina Faso the wake of a coup attempt by presidential guards that collapsed in September. The newly installed government of president Kabore recently issued an arrest warrant for Guillaume Soro, the head of the National Assembly in neighboring Ivory Coast, for his alleged involvement in the failed coup attempt.

In addition, Kabore broke with the past Wednesday by picking a cabinet packed with ministers who had not served under the previous administration of Blaise Compaore, who was president for 27 years. Compaore went into exile in Ivory Coast after being ousted in an uprising in 2014.

In a separate development, an Austrian doctor and his wife were kidnapped Friday night by extremists in Burkina Faso’s north near its border with Mali, Abi Ouattara, security ministry spokeswoman, said Saturday, the AP reported.
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Reply #35 - Jan 17th, 2016 at 2:08pm
 
Lucky this lot was totally inept.

Pretty funny how 2 of them had been in jail for previous offences.
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Reply #36 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 7:45am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 16th, 2016 at 12:37pm:
Muslims killed at least 20 at a hotel in Burkina Faso today. Large numbers were killed in Mali in 2015. There was Tunisia, Paris, Istanbul, California, Tennessee, Philippines, and throughout the Middle East where Muslim fanaticism is passed off as sectarian. It is almost a daily occurrence now somewhere in the world. The religion of peace is winning alright. Its just the peace part that is wrong. I think I have said this before at least once: Gandalf, what you may have once had for intelligence is now lost in orientalism.


The simple fact of the matter is, if violent Islamism was "winning" most of us would be dead by now. Islamists are relentless and determined, there is no doubt about that, but by and large the peaceful muslims are overwhelmingly dominant and are winning - and if they weren't, you can be sure as hell your life would be completely turned upside down, instead of sitting comfortably at your computer trolling me. I mean, lets face it issue, you've never been affected by terrorism have you? None of us here have, in fact almost no Australians have - its about the most unlikely way to be killed or injured. And yet there are half a million muslims in Australia, if even a small fraction of these decided to do the things people like you are always assuring us all muslims want to do - there would be chaos.

This story is a perfect reminder of how much under the thumb the Islamists really are in most of the muslim world - a few weak targets due to impoverishment and political vacuums in Africa and the middle east notwithstanding. Indonesia is the largest muslim country on earth - and secular democrats reign supreme in every facet of Indonesian society. Thats the real story here.
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Reply #37 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 5:49pm
 
But, G, it is total chaos. Google Paki donkey porn.

And some want to let these people in?

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.
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Reply #38 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 8:43am
 
Gandalf would you agree that the overall problem is actually getting worse?

freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 7:52pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15th, 2016 at 2:45pm:
The subject heading is not what you might think it is - but the opposite.

Terrorists are getting desparate, and this is testament to the success Indonesia - the largest muslim country on earth - has had in keeping a lid on extremism. This attack caused minimal damage and loss of life - thanks to the effectiveness of Indonesian law enforcement and anti-terrorism activity.

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But contrasting recent events with those of the last decade or more point to a number of relatively positive developments. First, there has been a dearth of such incidents in Indonesia for some time now. There have been tip offs and hints of such attacks often enough, but they have tended to be pre-empted or otherwise neutralised. In addition, the terrorist attacks of the past tended to focus on major hotels, embassies or crowded and larger venues. Back then, unconstrained by effective surveillance, dramatic and devastating acts of barbarity were relatively easy to accomplish. This time, major institutions were not attacked directly. It appears such plotters now find it harder to gain ready access to such places without being screened out.

Earlier terrorist attacks also tended to involve massive explosions. With easier access to the right ingredients, more substantial blasts could be generated and more ostentatious targets could be attacked with relative impunity. The Bali bombings in 2002 and 2005, for instance, as well as the various hotel and Australian embassy bombings in Jakarta involved large explosives intended to kill and maim large numbers. The ones reported on Thursday seem relatively light, resulting in more deaths among the perpetrators of these violent acts than anyone else.

The response from the Indonesian police and security authorities appears to be as professional as one could expect under the circumstances, too. Their conduct demonstrates how they have made significant progress in the last decade and a half. Close collaboration with Australian police, notably through the Jakarta Centre for Law Enforcement Cooperation (JCLEC), which was established with close Australian involvement, has undoubtedly played a constructive role in this regard.

The Indonesian authorities also have been proactive in banning extremist groups like Daesh and arresting those identified as being involved. Similarly, Indonesian Government efforts to monitor and contain travel to and from the Daeshist heartland in Syria have been of a high order.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-15/blaxland-what-the-jakarta-attacks-tells-us...


I agree with you on the terrorism front. It has all been downhill since 9/11.

However, ISIS has changed the game and is on a far bigger scale than 9/11. If and when we do defeat it, the terrorism is likely to pick up again. Or they will just carve out a Caliphate somewhere else.

The terrorist attacks have also become more focused on freedom of speech. After 9/11, people were bewildered. The attacks in Europe on the other hand send a very clear message and single out a small target population that is the thin end of the wedge of the Islamic agenda.

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