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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:03am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

As for the rest, go to the drive through & put some in the fridge at home, finish work & go home.

Why should they miss out on the chance to go to a pub and socialise?

They don't, they can go to the pub on their days off.

Why should they miss out on the chance to go to a pub and socialise after work?

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:52am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:49am:

As for the rest, go to the drive through & put some in the fridge at home, finish work & go home.

Why should they miss out on the chance to go to a pub and socialise?

They don't, they can go to the pub on their days off.

Why should they miss out on the chance to go to a pub and socialise after work?

Exactly what size group of people are you arguing for, .001%, .01%, 1%

And why does this miniscule portion of the population have more rights than the larger majorities wishes.

Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves.

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #17 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:24am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21am:

Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves.

Nobody said anything about "needs to".

Shift workers who finish around 11pm or midnight might like to go to the pub afterwards to have a few drinks with other people. To socialise.

What questions do they need to ask of themselves, and how are they any different than the people who go to a pub after 5pm?

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #18 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:24am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:21am:

Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves.

Nobody said anything about "needs to".

Shift workers who finish around 11pm or midnight might like to go to the pub afterwards to have a few drinks with other people. To socialise.

What questions do they need to ask of themselves, and how are they any different than the people who go to a pub after 5pm?

And I have provided the scenario of the most popular shift industries.

As I said in my 1st post if Australians could actually drink responsibly we wouldn't need these laws.

And seeing it wasn't until the 90's pubs started staying open until the wee hours of the morning, what has changed in these individuals & how did they cope the many decades before when pubs closed at 11pm - 12am( that's CLOSED not just lock out).

How did these industries even find workers when pubs CLOSED at 6pm?

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #19 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:32am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:29am:

And I have provided the scenario of the most popular shift industries.

Completely irrelevant to my questions.

"Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves."

What questions do they need to ask of themselves, and how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm?

Do they have to ask questions of themselves too?

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #20 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:32am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:29am:

And I have provided the scenario of the most popular shift industries.

Completely irrelevant to my questions.

"Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves."

What questions do they need to ask of themselves, and how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm?

Do they have to ask questions of themselves too?

So your now using the longweekend debate style, forget about the thread & topic of discussion & focus on 1 sentence from a poster with an opposite view.

Ok The key word in you tunnel vision is NEED.

Frankly IMHO anyone who NEEDS to drink alcohol everyday after work is a sad case, but thats just it Greg it's my opinion.

The facts are the lock out laws seem to reduce alcohol fuelled violence & this is backed by evidence in both Newcastle & now Sydney.

The few 1000 people you seem to think are being discriminated against will just have to suck it up, & enjoy a drink on their days off.

OR go to the suburbs just a few klm's from the lock out zone & SOCIALISE.

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #21 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

Frankly IMHO anyone who NEEDS to drink alcohol everyday after work is a sad case, but thats just it Greg it's my opinion.

I agree with you, and I clearly stated that nobody is talking about "needs to" (in my previous post).

So, let's just put that to one side, because we are on the same page: nobody "needs to" drink.

Now, you said:

"Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves."

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Secondly, how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm - why should they be denied the chance to socialise at a pub after work?

And finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #22 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:10am

Vic wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:26am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Boo hoo. Look at it this way. Alcohol-fuelled violence is down in lock-out areas.

You are of course correct there. Unfortunately, those patrons that cause all the one punch issues, bashings, anti-social behaviour etc have moved on to areas where the operating hours are the same, the grog is cheaper, the bands are better and the security not as stringent. The problem has just changed suburbs.

So make it state-wide.

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #23 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 8:08am:

This is the biggest play of a BS self interest story I have ever heard

Whinging bar owners are behind this.

How long does it take to get pissed?

I can do it in a couple of hours if I try.

I would have midnight closing if I ruled the world!

What about the people who finish work at midnight, and want to go to the pub for a few drinks?

Not everybody works 9 to 5.

Tough titties!

Go to the club in the morning for a few!

You wont get done for DUI either which is a plus!

Or go to the bottle shop and take a six-pack home and watch a movie.

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:20am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

Frankly IMHO anyone who NEEDS to drink alcohol everyday after work is a sad case, but thats just it Greg it's my opinion.

I agree with you, and I clearly stated that nobody is talking about "needs to" (in my previous post).

So, let's just put that to one side, because we are on the same page: nobody "needs to" drink.

Now, you said:

"Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves."

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Secondly, how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm - why should they be denied the chance to socialise at a pub after work?

And finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

Last time

If we have put "NEEDS" aside & agree there is no need for me to answer any of your distracting questions.

If they don't NEED a drink whether they can get one or not is irrelevant.

But here goes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Am I an alcoholic & is alcohol affecting my life in a detrimental way.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Secondly, how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm - why should they be denied the chance to socialise at a pub after work?

Because Australian society is too immature to allow the service of alcohol after a certain time because we somehow have the idea drinking until unable to control yourself is heroic, instead of moronic.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

And finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

As stated, anyone who Needs a drink after work does need to ask themselves questions whether that finish time is 8am, 8pm or 12am.

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Re: Lockout laws have killed business in Sydney
Reply #25 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

Frankly IMHO anyone who NEEDS to drink alcohol everyday after work is a sad case, but thats just it Greg it's my opinion.

I agree with you, and I clearly stated that nobody is talking about "needs to" (in my previous post).

So, let's just put that to one side, because we are on the same page: nobody "needs to" drink.

Now, you said:

"Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves."

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Secondly, how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm - why should they be denied the chance to socialise at a pub after work?

And finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Am I thirsty ?

finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

Yes : Am I thirsty.

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Reply #26 - Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:30am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

Frankly IMHO anyone who NEEDS to drink alcohol everyday after work is a sad case, but thats just it Greg it's my opinion.

I agree with you, and I clearly stated that nobody is talking about "needs to" (in my previous post).

So, let's just put that to one side, because we are on the same page: nobody "needs to" drink.

Now, you said:

"Anyone who needs to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night needs to actually ask some questions of themselves."

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Secondly, how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm - why should they be denied the chance to socialise at a pub after work?

And finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

Last time

If we have put "NEEDS" aside & agree there is no need for me to answer any of your distracting questions.

If they don't NEED a drink whether they can get one or not is irrelevant.

But here goes.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Firstly, what questions do they need to ask of themselves?

Am I an alcoholic & is alcohol affecting my life in a detrimental way.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

Secondly, how are they any different to the people who go to a pub after 5pm - why should they be denied the chance to socialise at a pub after work?

Because Australian society is too immature to allow the service of alcohol after a certain time because we somehow have the idea drinking until unable to control yourself is heroic, instead of moronic.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2016 at 10:48am:

And finally, do the people who go to the pub after 5pm need to ask questions of themselves too?

As stated, anyone who Needs a drink after work does need to ask themselves questions whether that finish time is 8am, 8pm or 12am.

Does anyone who wants to go to the pub at 12.30am on a Wednesday night need to ask some questions of themselves?

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