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Trade Deal To Barely Benefit Australia
Jan 11th, 2016 at 5:44pm
 
Trans-Pacific Partnership will barely benefit Australia, says World Bank report   Sad

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    January 11, 2016
    Canberra Times

Australia stands to gain almost nothing from the mega trade deal sealed with 11 other nations including United States, Japan, and Singapore, the first comprehensive economic analysis finds.   Sad

Prepared by staff from the World Bank, the study says the so-called Trans-Pacific Partnership would boost Australia's economy by just 0.7 per cent by the year 2030.

The annual boost to growth would be less than one half of one 10th of 1 per cent.


Other members of the TPP stand to benefit much more, according to the analysis. Vietnam's economy would be 10 per cent bigger by 2030, Malaysia's 8 per cent bigger, New Zealand's 3 per cent bigger, and Singapore's 3 per cent bigger.

The study explains that highly developed nations such as Australia are either relatively reliant on things other than trade for economic growth or are already fairly free of trade restrictions.

Australia and the United States benefit the least from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The study says it would boost the US economy by only 0.4 per cent by 2030.


Signatories to the TPP include Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the US and Vietnam.

Non-members would suffer as members directed trade to other members. The biggest loser would be Thailand, whose exports are set to fall 2 per cent while Vietnam's grow 30 per cent.

Since sealing the deal in October the Australian government has been reluctant to commission an economic analysis of its effects, turning down an offer from the Productivity Commission.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull described the deal as a "gigantic foundation stone", saying it would deliver "more jobs, absolutely".

It opens up trade between members but makes trade more difficult with non-members through a process known as "cumulative rules of origin" where members lose privileges if they source inputs from countries outside the TPP.

The Productivity Commission has been strongly critical of the provisions saying that they turn so-called free trade agreements into "preferential" agreements.

The Partnership also requires members to sign up to tough intellectual property provisions and to submit to investor-state dispute settlement procedures administered by outside tribunals.

World Trade Online says the negotiating parties are planning to sign the agreement in New Zealand on February 4. It says Chile has confirmed the date and some trade ministers have already made arrangements to travel to Auckland, but it says New Zealand has yet to issue formal invitations.

The deal will not come into place until it has been ratified by at least 6 of the 12 signatories representing 85 per cent of their combined gross domestic product. Before ratifying the deal Australia has to table it in Parliament for 20 joint sitting days and consider a report from the joint standing committee on treaties.

Labor has yet to announce its position on the partnership. It has said previously that it opposes investor-state dispute settlement procedures but agreed to them in the Korea and China free trade agreements.

A spokeswoman for Trade Minister Andrew Robb said the agreement would deliver enormous benefits by driving integration in the fast-growing Asia-Pacific, and establishing one set of trading rules across 12 countries.

"The World Bank report demonstrates that all 12 member countries – representing around 40 per cent of global GDP – will experience economic growth and increased exports," she said.
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 5:49pm
 
Are we giving Mexico the leg up?

Great, on the border of the... wait: this doesn't even make sense to me....  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:09pm
 
Like the FTA it will benefit , a few people.
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:17pm
 
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The annual boost to growth would be less than one half of one 10th of 1 per cent.



Ah.  You mean less than 0.05%.
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:35pm
 
I expect the lib supporters will just attack the credentials of the report or fairfax. 
I doubt  there will be an actual rational rebuttal to the report.
If one is unlucky, they will attack the posters of the forum.
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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:39pm
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:35pm:
I expect the lib supporters will just attack the credentials of the report or fairfax. 
I doubt  there will be an actual rational rebuttal to the report.
If one is unlucky, they will attack the posters of the forum.


I dunno   Undecided

I didn't think anyone supported the TPP...Well, nobody with red blood anyway. 

But Turdball will support it.
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm
 
At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook, and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was.... Grin
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:14pm
 
You didn't really expect it to, did you?  How are we here in Oz to benefit from free trade with countries that produce shoddy product at low prices when we produce nothing in return but market share for them?

Is everyone so blind?

We'll need LongMania to sort this out mathematically for us....
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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:16pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook, and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was.... Grin



How will we ever know since the Emissions Trading Scheme never got off the ground?
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Reply #9 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:27pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook, and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was.... Grin


Carbon tax encouraged investment in green technologies though.
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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:07am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:16pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook, and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was.... Grin



How will we ever know since the Emissions Trading Scheme never got off the ground?


It was in operation for quite some time before it was finally dismantled,  thankfully.
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Reply #11 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:08am
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:27pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook, and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was.... Grin


Carbon tax encouraged investment in green technologies though.


No it didn't,  not even close.
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 7:21am
 
'At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook'

How?

'and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was'

Your thoughts on direct action?
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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 7:31am
 
macman wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 7:21am:
'At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook'

How?


Read the opening post.  A 'bare' benefit is still a benefit.  Huh

macman wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 7:21am:
'and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was'

Your thoughts on direct action?


If you think the sky is falling, reduce your own carbon footprint.  Spend your own money on reducing it.  Donate part of your income (voluntary tax yourself) to renewable energy projects.


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Reply #14 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 7:38am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:07am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:16pm:
Swagman wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:54pm:
At least it's a benefit to the economy Crook, and not the boil on its arse that the carbon tax was.... Grin



How will we ever know since the Emissions Trading Scheme never got off the ground?


It was in operation for quite some time before it was finally dismantled,  thankfully.


wow ... how deluded are you? When did the ETS start?
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