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Reply #60 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 1:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

The only person spreading misinformation here, is Maqqa.

Funny, that.

Please explain?

She actually got that right at the time in that interview...requiring of an interviewer that they make their issue clear..... amazing what a propaganda clip can do to a person's credibility....

Now - I don't follow PH's views in all things.... but she had some things right..... until the media got hold of her....

Amazing what a picture can tell.......

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Reply #61 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 1:58am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

So you maintain that UNION officers need to be constrained, but not company officers, who, by and large, feast on the loopholes and lack of governance in place over them?

banks.... investment advisors.... self-regulated... any bells ringing yet?

Incorrect

The Union Officers are unrestraint compared to the Company Officers

How so? I don't see many Union people overseeing the demise of their Union and then reaping million in 'unforeseen' and 'overlooked' funds, or funds channeled into 'private companies' for 'finder's fees' and 'management fees'.... borrowed from the banks who will levy further 'fees' on the general populace under the ultra-socialist principle that it is better for the majority to pay a little that they can't afford rather than recoup the millions taken by those who can afford to repay it, out of a failed business in return for loans etc ......

Come back, spinner....

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Reply #62 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:30am

Maqqa wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

it has OFFICERS. So when the OFFICERS broke rules relating to a company there are no penalties

Sorry but it's not true. there are very significant penalties.

Please enlighten us with a reference to the Fair Work Act

Why your the one making unsupportable statements.

This is what it is called

FAIR WORK (REGISTERED ORGANISATIONS) ACT 2009

There is a copy here.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwoa2009362/

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwoa2009362/s16.html

FAIR WORK (REGISTERED ORGANISATIONS) ACT 2009 - SECT 16
Operation of offence provisions
               If a maximum penalty is specified:

                  (a) at the foot of a section of this Act (other than a section that is divided into subsections); or

                  (b) at the foot of a subsection of this Act;

then:

                  (c) a person who contravenes the section or subsection is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by a penalty not exceeding the specified penalty; or

                  (d) the offence referred to in the section or subsection is punishable, on conviction, by a penalty not exceeding the specified penalty.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Rogue union bosses targeted Reply #63 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:03am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:03pm: The only person spreading misinformation here, is Maqqa. Funny, that. he doesnt use FACEBOOK like you gweggy... you can tell.
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Re: Rogue union bosses targeted
Reply #64 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 1:58am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

So you maintain that UNION officers need to be constrained, but not company officers, who, by and large, feast on the loopholes and lack of governance in place over them?

banks.... investment advisors.... self-regulated... any bells ringing yet?

Incorrect

The Union Officers are unrestraint compared to the Company Officers

How so? I don't see many Union people overseeing the demise of their Union and then reaping million in 'unforeseen' and 'overlooked' funds, or funds channeled into 'private companies' for 'finder's fees' and 'management fees'.... borrowed from the banks who will levy further 'fees' on the general populace under the ultra-socialist principle that it is better for the majority to pay a little that they can't afford rather than recoup the millions taken by those who can afford to repay it, out of a failed business in return for loans etc ......

Come back, spinner....

hilarious grappy.

because they take it whilst they are employed.. silly..

havent you kept up with the Royal perhaps if you hadnt been so busy waving your placard calling it a witch hunt...

you would have noticed how many have been reported for STEALING FROM THEIR MEMBERS...

and not forgetting the CHEATING THEIR MEMBERS...

you really must keep up to date....

you do realise dont you... that you can change banks....or you can take your business elswhere if you dont like their tactics..

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too...... so any scullduggery only ever gets exposed in a ROYAL Angry

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Re: Rogue union bosses targeted
Reply #65 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:12am

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 1:58am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

So you maintain that UNION officers need to be constrained, but not company officers, who, by and large, feast on the loopholes and lack of governance in place over them?

banks.... investment advisors.... self-regulated... any bells ringing yet?

Incorrect

The Union Officers are unrestraint compared to the Company Officers

How so? I don't see many Union people overseeing the demise of their Union and then reaping million in 'unforeseen' and 'overlooked' funds, or funds channeled into 'private companies' for 'finder's fees' and 'management fees'.... borrowed from the banks who will levy further 'fees' on the general populace under the ultra-socialist principle that it is better for the majority to pay a little that they can't afford rather than recoup the millions taken by those who can afford to repay it, out of a failed business in return for loans etc ......

Come back, spinner....

hilarious grappy.

because they take it whilst they are employed.. silly..

havent you kept up with the Royal perhaps if you hadnt been so busy waving your placard calling it a witch hunt...

you would have noticed how many have been reported for STEALING FROM THEIR MEMBERS...

and not forgetting the CHEATING THEIR MEMBERS...

you really must keep up to date....

you do realise dont you... that you can change banks....or you can take your business elswhere if you dont like their tactics..

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too...... so any scullduggery only ever gets exposed in a ROYAL Angry

Jesus you really have no idea at all , i did credit you once with some intellect , i officially rescind that statement.

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Reply #66 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:14am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 6:30am:

Maqqa wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:38pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

it has OFFICERS. So when the OFFICERS broke rules relating to a company there are no penalties

Sorry but it's not true. there are very significant penalties.

Please enlighten us with a reference to the Fair Work Act

Why your the one making unsupportable statements.

This is what it is called

FAIR WORK (REGISTERED ORGANISATIONS) ACT 2009

There is a copy here.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwoa2009362/

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/fwoa2009362/s16.html

FAIR WORK (REGISTERED ORGANISATIONS) ACT 2009 - SECT 16
Operation of offence provisions
               If a maximum penalty is specified:

                  (a) at the foot of a section of this Act (other than a section that is divided into subsections); or

                  (b) at the foot of a subsection of this Act;

then:

                  (c) a person who contravenes the section or subsection is guilty of an offence punishable, on conviction, by a penalty not exceeding the specified penalty; or

                  (d) the offence referred to in the section or subsection is punishable, on conviction, by a penalty not exceeding the specified penalty.

quite a few of the 70 odd people of business that have been referred for investigation have been referred to Fair work.....so it will be interesting to see the results...

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Re: Rogue union bosses targeted
Reply #67 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 9:04am

mariacostel wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:14pm:

Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:04am:

Rogue union bosses not targeted

Fixed for ya.......

Why is it, do you think, that only UNION bosses are targeted,

unless this is an ideological war

.

It is.

And the neo-cons CANNOT be permitted to win.

Do you treat everything in your life like a war?

Perhaps if you stopped doing that your life would look less like a carpet-bombed disaster.

No. I don't.

But this IS, whether you think so or not.

Neo-cons have destroyed, in around 30 years, what took hundreds of years to gain, and they show no sign of stopping.

So yes, you're goddamed firkin right it's a war.

Choose your side VERY carefully.

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Re: Rogue union bosses targeted
Reply #68 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:45am

Union members vote on what their elected leaders will do... when it comes to political donations, they are part and parcel of supporting a party, and everyone has the right to do that...... I could donate personally to the Gelawhumpian Whale Defenestration Party if I chose to do so - it's not theft.

Those guilty of misuse of Union funds were and are well in the sights without any royal commission - some have already been dealt with by the courts without any help from such a commission, which only refers to them to pad out its very thin portfolio of nasty people. Most of those having the finger pointed at them are guilty of nothing but hard bargaining.... and all within the rules.

If a building union rep lays out a log of claims for a specific job - such as it's way away from home and out in the sticks and thus incurs extra cost to compensate for travel and accommodation (just an example) that is well within the rules and is nowhere near a massive pay demand or stand-over, and in no way reflects in a building worker being paid (example) $40 an hour JUST for working.... there are other factors involved.

Seems to me some of these wimpy Bosses need to swallow some cement and get with the program.

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Reply #70 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too......

Any idea what these are, cods?

http://www.cfmeu.net.au/your-union/financial-statements

http://www.nteu.org.au/myunion/about_us/finance

https://www.nuw.org.au/get-informed/public-notices/financial-summaries

http://www.unionsnsw.org.au/annual_reports

http://www.cfmeuffpd.org.au/ourunion/topics/2368.html

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Reply #71 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:55am

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too......

There's even an audit report here:

http://www.ieu.asn.au/union-financial-statements/

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Reply #72 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too......

"A copy of the Full Financial Report is available to members at any branch of the Maritime Union of Australia."

http://www.mua.org.au/tags/financial_report

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Reply #73 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 12:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too......

Any idea what these are, cods?

http://www.cfmeu.net.au/your-union/financial-statements

http://www.nteu.org.au/myunion/about_us/finance

https://www.nuw.org.au/get-informed/public-notices/financial-summaries

http://www.unionsnsw.org.au/annual_reports

http://www.cfmeuffpd.org.au/ourunion/topics/2368.html

Not itemised are they?

This is why the Unions need to align with the Corporations Act

If I was auditing those documents the Unions would be done for misleading disclosure

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Reply #74 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:55am:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 8:10am:

however you have no choice when it comes to the unions....and dont dare ask them what are you doing with our money?????????...

they dont put their profit and loss in the papers like the banks have to....and even David Jones has too......

There's even an audit report here:

http://www.ieu.asn.au/union-financial-statements/

That says it's free of "material misstatement" i.e. there are misstatements

Look at Thommo and his vvenching days - what did they classify these expenses as? I guess it was classified as "free of material misstatement"

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