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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61230 Here Gender:	Re: Jacking Up The GST Is Not The Answer Reply #15 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:44am aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:25am: think of all the level crossing we could fix with the extra money. How when it all goes into health education compensation and tax cuts. Obviously it does nothing at all for level crossings. Possibly even makes it more difficult to fix them.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Jacking Up The GST Is Not The Answer Reply #16 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:10am Quote: "Of course, state leaders are under pressure to find more money - that's because the Turnbull Liberals in Canberra have cut $80 billion from schools and hospitals," Mr Shorten said, referring to cuts in the 2014 federal budget. Schools and hospitals are state responsibilities Crook.
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Reply #17 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:12am

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:10am:

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"Of course, state leaders are under pressure to find more money - that's because the Turnbull Liberals in Canberra have cut $80 billion from schools and hospitals," Mr Shorten said, referring to cuts in the 2014 federal budget. Sad

Schools and hospitals are state responsibilities Crook.

.. funding for which traditionally comes from the Fed, and even more so since the advent of the GST......

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Reply #18 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

think of all the level crossing we could fix with the extra money.

How when it all goes into health education compensation and tax cuts. Obviously it does nothing at all for level crossings. Possibly even makes it more difficult to fix them.

Not really. Health and Education are likely eating into the budgets for public transport infrastructure already.

Why do you socialists always want more of everything, but only as long as someone else pays for it?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89838 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Jacking Up The GST Is Not The Answer Reply #19 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:19am Someone else doesn't pay for it - everyone pays for it....................... to the extent that they benefit from it......
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Reply #20 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:37am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

Someone else doesn't pay for it - everyone pays for it....................... to the extent that they benefit from it......

Not if you follow Bill Shorten's logic.

He's just playing the 'Regressive' tax Boogieman card, like all misinformed socialists.

The carbon tax was a regressive tax as well. Why wasn't it evil incarnate? Huh

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20332 Gender:	Re: Jacking Up The GST Is Not The Answer Reply #21 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:37am Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:09am: If jacking up the GST is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked. Cutting government spending is the answer. Sell off ABC and SBS to remove a billion dollar a year albatross from the necks of taxpayers.
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Reply #22 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:03pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

think of all the level crossing we could fix with the extra money.

How when it all goes into health education compensation and tax cuts. Obviously it does nothing at all for level crossings. Possibly even makes it more difficult to fix them.

Not really. Health and Education are likely eating into the budgets for public transport infrastructure already.

Why do you socialists always want more of everything, but only as long as someone else pays for it?

Why don't YOU learn what socialism actually is and means?

THEN comment.

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Reply #23 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:06pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:09am:

If jacking up the GST is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked.

Cutting government spending is the answer.

Sell off ABC and SBS to remove a billion dollar a year albatross from the necks of taxpayers.

No, both spending AND revenue need to be increased.

Bringing the carbon tax and the MRRT back would be a good start.

Utterly STUPID to axe either of them, not to mention criminally incompetent.

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Reply #24 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:07pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

Someone else doesn't pay for it - everyone pays for it....................... to the extent that they benefit from it......

Not if you follow Bill Shorten's logic.

He's just playing the 'Regressive' tax Boogieman card, like all misinformed socialists.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/GSTBM_1.jpg

The carbon tax was a regressive tax as well. Why wasn't it evil incarnate? Huh

Swag - you know that no matter what the tax package is (that word package gives one pause) it will always get the most out of you while appearing to be benign to you personally...

The illusion and sleight of hand is that politicians cunningly work out how to distract you (bit like the Buffs sheila bashing) by shrieking 'left-right, left-right'.... while shafting you with the other hand....

They are ALL the same and the tax burden on you will not change one bit through their machinations.... you will just THINK you are better off, but the fact remains that governments will always want more than they have... and you'll pay for it one way or the other.

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Reply #26 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:10pm

Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:37am:

Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:09am:

If jacking up the GST is the answer, then the wrong questions are being asked.

Cutting government spending is the answer.

Sell off ABC and SBS to remove a billion dollar a year albatross from the necks of taxpayers.

No, both spending AND revenue need to be increased.

You should learn some basic economics, I suggest listening to Milton Friedman who won a Nobel prize for economics

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Reply #27 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:11pm

Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

think of all the level crossing we could fix with the extra money.

How when it all goes into health education compensation and tax cuts. Obviously it does nothing at all for level crossings. Possibly even makes it more difficult to fix them.

Not really. Health and Education are likely eating into the budgets for public transport infrastructure already.

Why do you socialists always want more of everything, but only as long as someone else pays for it?

Why don't YOU learn what socialism actually is and means?

THEN comment.

Spoken like a true socialist.... Grin

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Reply #28 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:19pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:44am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

think of all the level crossing we could fix with the extra money.

How when it all goes into health education compensation and tax cuts. Obviously it does nothing at all for level crossings. Possibly even makes it more difficult to fix them.

Not really. Health and Education are likely eating into the budgets for public transport infrastructure already.

Why do you socialists always want more of everything, but only as long as someone else pays for it?

Scoot is making suggestions for the extra money when there is no extra money, there is no indication that the finance budgeted for roads and transport isn't going to roads and transport. Increasing the GST is not planned to change that in any way.

The feds ripped $80 B out of health and education and we are expected to pay for it a second time.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Jacking Up The GST Is Not The Answer Reply #29 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 1:24pm ... wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:08pm: Kat wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:03pm: Why don't YOU learn what socialism actually is and means? Why don't you teach us? Seems many people have no idea what socialism actually is. "Socialism" was the top search term for Merriam-Webster in 2015.
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