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Reply #45 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

and dna, you are the worst of them. you want unions to be fair, legal, effective and not corrupt or bullying. But only as long as no one does anything to enforce it.

you would be ineffective in a sheltered workshop.

Yes I agree I would be ineffective there, however I am confident that you would be right at home.

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Re: Come see the lefties shred Simon Crean
Reply #46 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:52pm:

Well this is good news.
When Turnbull takes the necessary steps to clean up the union/ workplace relationship and union governance, we know that not a voice will be heard here by way of objection.
Thank you Mr Crean.

and we know they will all squeal like stuck pigs. and 'stuck' will be the only new adjective.

Like you I would think there is every chance that Turnbull will do little but to play politics with it, lets just wait and see.

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Reply #48 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Zero Crean shredding so far.

The only blip in conversation has been Longy trying to play aggressive anti union / Labor politics with the question.

So, you agree with Crean but if a Lib said the same thing you would criticise it strongly. And have.

It is an interesting style of debate. Technically, it is called hypocrisy.

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Reply #49 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Zero Crean shredding so far.

The only blip in conversation has been Longy trying to play aggressive anti union / Labor politics with the question.

So, you agree with Crean but if a Lib said the same thing you would criticise it strongly. And have.

It is an interesting style of debate. Technically, it is called hypocrisy.

Longy didn't say the same thing he went for a political advantage instead. There is a difference between being constructive and union bashing.

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Reply #50 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:38pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Zero Crean shredding so far.

The only blip in conversation has been Longy trying to play aggressive anti union / Labor politics with the question.

So, you agree with Crean but if a Lib said the same thing you would criticise it strongly. And have.

It is an interesting style of debate. Technically, it is called hypocrisy.

hypocrisy

Isn't a picture of Longy listed under that title in the dictionary ?

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Reply #51 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:42pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Zero Crean shredding so far.

The only blip in conversation has been Longy trying to play aggressive anti union / Labor politics with the question.

So, you agree with Crean but if a Lib said the same thing you would criticise it strongly. And have.

It is an interesting style of debate. Technically, it is called hypocrisy.

It seems that nobody disagreed with Crean ? Nobody has refuted that position from day one.

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Reply #52 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:55am:

Former ACTU president and Labor leader Simon Crean believes unions like the CFMEU need to "get their house in order" after "substantial evidence of wrongdoing".

In light of the findings of the royal commission into trade unions, Mr Crean said steps have to be taken to make sure thuggery and intimidation don't reoccur.

"I would prefer the unions get their house in order, but if they don't it will be put in order for them. They will have to accept the consequences," he told The Australian on Friday.

Good, we need to clean up misconduct wherever it occurs. A few unions do need to get their house in order. Now all we need to do is add all those businesses to the list that were implicated in misconduct in the TURC, the banking industry, the construction industry, property developers, lobbyists and political parties.

Not going to happen though. ICAC has shown us why.

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Reply #53 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Zero Crean shredding so far.

The only blip in conversation has been Longy trying to play aggressive anti union / Labor politics with the question.

So, you agree with Crean but if a Lib said the same thing you would criticise it strongly. And have.

It is an interesting style of debate. Technically, it is called hypocrisy.

It seems that nobody disagreed with Crean ? Nobody has refuted that position from day one.

Just as long as no one suggests any actual, real and effective action, right?

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Re: Come see the lefties shred Simon Crean
Reply #55 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:36pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

I'm delighted with the lefties' response here because it means they won't have any objection to the tough measures that will be taken to clean up the unions and reduce their restrictive influence, especially in the public service.

But it will be done by a Liberal government and therefore must be rejected and resisted by all the ideological persuasion they can muster.

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Re: Come see the lefties shred Simon Crean
Reply #56 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:04pm

Well - maybe Crean is out of touch these days and running so scared of being labeled a 'thug' that he's now prepared to accept that all Union negotiation should be done at the p0oint of a management gun... funny how the 'lefties' of yesteryear - heroic upholders of the Rights of Workers etc - once grown fat off the fat of the land, all become conservatives.

I wouldn't pay him much mind...

Like all past politicians - I think he should be politely overlooked and we'll get on with the real issues... issues that they helped to create for us all, including the steady demolition of Rights for all Australians. Just when we were on the verge of beginning to actually codify what are Rights and what are not, and begin to uphold Rights as opposed to rights, and do so for all equally and for the betterment of this country as a whole (not a hole) - along came the PC mob on BOTH sides to f*ck it up for us all, and all so they could hold power in this society and treat us as their minions.

Now then - what about all these 'charges' against 'union thugs'? Anyone got anything substantial in this flood of emotive nonsense?

Told yez before - Thomo etc are off the link - they began to be dealt with way back in 2007 and have not one thing to do with any 'royal commission' and will not be used to pad out the claims of corruption.

Now, children - let's trying dealing with hard facts for a change.

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Re: Come see the lefties shred Simon Crean
Reply #57 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 2:26pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:43am:

Zero Crean shredding so far.

The only blip in conversation has been Longy trying to play aggressive anti union / Labor politics with the question.

So, you agree with Crean but if a Lib said the same thing you would criticise it strongly. And have.

It is an interesting style of debate. Technically, it is called hypocrisy.

It seems that nobody disagreed with Crean ? Nobody has refuted that position from day one.

Just as long as no one suggests any actual, real and effective action, right?

You may recall that in November Shorten made some suggestions that looked reasonable. You may also recall that my comment to the suggestions from the RC was that some of them were good and some were not.

The sensible thing to do is to wait to see what suggestions and other alternatives are finally put forward by the government and to judge it on its merit.

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Re: Come see the lefties shred Simon Crean
Reply #58 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 2:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:36pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

I'm delighted with the lefties' response here because it means they won't have any objection to the tough measures that will be taken to clean up the unions and reduce their restrictive influence, especially in the public service.

But it will be done by a Liberal government and therefore must be rejected and resisted by all the ideological persuasion they can muster.

The more likely issue is that it will be attempted by a Liberal government who will stuff it up and produce an unfair and unreasonable list of negative changes aimed more at shackling the union movement and disadvantaging Labor than addressing any problem.

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Re: Come see the lefties shred Simon Crean
Reply #59 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 2:45pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

I'm delighted with the lefties' response here because it means they won't have any objection to the tough measures that will be taken to clean up the unions and reduce their restrictive influence, especially in the public service.

see, that's where you come unstuck ... reducing corruption should have nothing to do with reducing unions influence ..... that's a political motive

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