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Reply #15 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 7:48pm
 
the good ole boys wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 7:23pm:
The powers that be  looks after reffos more than the people who fought our wars. Disgusting.


And that, also, has been shown time and again not to be the case.

But, carry on.
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Reply #16 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:05pm
 
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One-third of Australian pensioners live in poverty: OECD report

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    January 7, 2016
    Sydney Morning Herald

More than one-third of Australian pensioners are living below the poverty line, making the country among the worst performers in the world for the financial security of older people.

The findings of the OECD report, Pensions at a Glance 2015, compared Australia to 33 other countries.

Australia was ranked second lowest on social equity, with 36 per cent of pensioners living below the poverty line, which the report defined as half the relevant country's median household income.   Sad

Australian pensioners fared better than their counterparts in South Korea, where 50 per cent live below the poverty line but performed poorly against the OECD average of 12.6 per cent.

The report, released last month, found the Australian government contributes less to old-age benefits than other OECD countries. The Australian government spends 3.5 per cent of GDP on the pension, below the OECD average of 7.9 per cent.

The findings are backed up by the Global Age Watch Index 2015 report card which rates countries by how well their older populations are faring.

It ranked Australia lowest in its region on income security, due to the high rate of old age poverty and pension coverage which is below the regional average.

Paul Versteege​, senior research and advocacy adviser with the Combined Pensioner and Superannuants Association, said the base Australian pension rate was low compared to median household incomes.

"There are huge discrepancies among retirees in various countries," he said.

"In Australia there is quite a large group that has to subsist on the age pension as its only source of income. In spite of pension reform and recent increases to the pension, the base pension is still quite low for singles."

The annual payment for a single person is about $22,000 and $34,000 for a couple, with 2.25 million Australians claiming the pension.

Council on the Ageing chief executive Ian Yates said the report challenged perceptions that the entitlement was too high.

"Claims that the age pension is somehow too extravagant and unsustainable do not bear out," he said.

"We have always argued for progressive improvements to the pension but at the moment an increase to the pension is highly unlikely and more focus ought to go towards building superannuation contributions."

Chief executive of Vision Super Stephen Rowe said he was "staggered" by the findings of the OECD report, saying it painted a bleak picture for many older Australians.

"Are we generous enough with the pension? I don't think so."

He said that Australians retiring now have not received the full benefit of compulsory superannuation contributions, introduced in 1992, but were grappling with rising living costs.

"The basic cost of living in Australia is quite high, compared with  some other OECD countries," Mr Rowe said.

Chief executive of National Seniors Michael O'Neill said the pension had gone backwards in real terms and many older people had not accumulated enough superannuation to supplement the benefit.

"In terms of sustainability, the report confirms that Australia spends substantially less than the OECD average on pensions," he said.   Sad

"In fact, our pension spend has dropped and plateaued since 2000. Against other countries, our proportion of pensioners living below the poverty line is startling."




Hi sir Crook,
it's a scandal that pensioners are facing poverty after
a lifetime of building our country.

Thank you for posting the truth regardless of how awful it is.
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Reply #17 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:06pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
just go out on pension day and check them out... if they choose to spend it in the pubs and clubs then thats their own doing...


Those pensioners who haunt the TAB agencies, the race-courses, and the poker parlours are all married people.

They can afford it because the government gives them WAY more than what the single pensioner gets.

The married couples can 'Live as cheaply as one' - and yet the government gives them an amount that presupposes they have to pay separate bills for their electricity, rates, cooking expences, laundry water and powder, home insurance, and the household white goods that might need repairing or replacing.


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Reply #18 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:05pm:
Hi sir Crook,
it's a scandal that pensioners are facing poverty after
a lifetime of building our country.

Thank you for posting the truth regardless of how awful it is.


I was doing 'casual' with a German in his 60's, and he surprised me by saying that Australia's aged pension rate is a disgrace for how poorly it compares with that of Germany and other European countries.




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Reply #19 - Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:23pm
 
More immigration and gay marriage will fix this.
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Reply #20 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:07am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:33pm:
just go out on pension day and check them out... if they choose to spend it in the pubs and clubs then thats their own doing...


Those pensioners who haunt the TAB agencies, the race-courses, and the poker parlours are all married people.

They can afford it because the government gives them WAY more than what the single pensioner gets.

The married couples can 'Live as cheaply as one' - and yet the government gives them an amount that presupposes they have to pay separate bills for their electricity, rates, cooking expences, laundry water and powder, home insurance, and the household white goods that might need repairing or replacing.




Trust me (when would you not?)... my ex and I are both better off with our single pensions and my kick (not dick) for being her carer....

There is nothing wrong about this - my girlfriend would be very upset if I slept with my ex, who needs a walker to get around...
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Reply #21 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:23am
 
Ah, capitalism. It metastasizes everywhere.
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Reply #22 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 4:56am
 
Marla wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:23am:
Ah, capitalism. It metastasizes everywhere.


Aaah ... Maid Marla has awoken from her bongathon. Welcome back princess.
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Reply #23 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:59am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 4:56am:
Marla wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:23am:
Ah, capitalism. It metastasizes everywhere.


Aaah ...
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Doesn't make her any less correct, though.
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Reply #24 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am
 
Kat wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:59am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 4:56am:
Marla wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:23am:
Ah, capitalism. It metastasizes everywhere.


Aaah ...
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Doesn't make her any less correct, though.


Thank God she is correct in saying that capitalism is the prevailing economic system that we live by, for otherwise the billions of bucks that Western countries give to the Third World would simply not be there to give.

To its great credit China has been introducing hard-core capitalist enterprise in several countries of Africa, with this promising to raise the living standards of ordinary Africans in the coming decades to astronomical heights from how they are now.

My aunt who I lived with for four years fled from a communist country.

There will never be a communist country of the sort that Marla fantasises about after a couple of reefers.

Human nature being what it is, will ALWAYS (sorry for shouting) stop short of true communism ....  to start dabbling in dictatorships, Secret Police, gangster family dynasties, firing squads, and labour camps in the forests.

Humanitarian Capitalism is what we have now - and it caters for both the working person and those who for some reason are not in the workplace.

What are all those millions in India, China, Africa, Indonesia, the Philippines, South East Asia, and South America waiting for?

Answer: To be able to fully access capitalist workplaces so they can enjoy the same standard of living as those of us who live in the West.

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Reply #25 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:50am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am:
Kat wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:59am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 4:56am:
Marla wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 3:23am:
Ah, capitalism. It metastasizes everywhere.


Aaah ...
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Doesn't make her any less correct, though.


Thank God she is correct in saying that capitalism is the prevailing economic system that we live by, for otherwise the billions of bucks that Western countries give to the Third World would simply not be there to give.

To its great credit China has been introducing hard-core capitalist enterprise in several countries of Africa, with this promising to raise the living standards of ordinary Africans in the coming decades to astronomical heights from how they are now.

My aunt who I lived with for four years fled from a communist country.

There will never be a communist country of the sort that Marla fantasises about after a couple of reefers.

Human nature being what it is, will ALWAYS (sorry for shouting) stop short of true communism ....  to start dabbling in dictatorships, Secret Police, gangster family dynasties, firing squads, and labour camps in the forests.

Humanitarian Capitalism is what we have now - and it caters for both the working person and those who for some reason are not in the workplace.

What are all those millions in India, China, Africa, Indonesia, the Philippines, South East Asia, and South America waiting for?

Answer: To be able to fully access capitalist workplaces so they can enjoy the same standard of living as those of us who live in the West.



Well said Herb.

I do wonder however why our governments are trying to drive us down to their level.
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Reply #26 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:09am
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:31pm:
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bullshit





Taffy Evans. ROFLMA

The ONLY Age Pensioners who have "money problems" are those who NEVER paid for  a Mortgage and relied on "The Government" for their living quarters for most of their LIFE.

Those who actually paid off their Mortgage live very comfortably.


exactly.  these pensioners are poor because they cannot afford to pay rent while the other 2/3 are living in the houses they bought during their lives.
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Reply #27 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:26am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:09am:
Neferti wrote on Jan 7th, 2016 at 6:31pm:
The ONLY Age Pensioners who have "money problems" are those who NEVER paid for  a Mortgage and relied on "The Government" for their living quarters for most of their LIFE.

Those who actually paid off their Mortgage live very comfortably.


exactly.  these pensioners are poor because they cannot afford to pay rent while the other 2/3 are living in the houses they bought during their lives.


Spare a thought for all those ex-husbands who married, had children, bought their own homes - only to be divorced by their wives for the most trivial of reasons ... thus losing their homes and ending up having to pay rent on 'digs' somewhere ... 
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Reply #28 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 2:56am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am:
Thank God she is correct in saying that capitalism is the prevailing economic system that we live by, for otherwise the billions of bucks that Western countries give to the Third World would simply not be there to give.


Look what the IMF has done to those countries. Further devastated their economies, rapes their resources, polluted their waters and displaced families. Yay for capitalism. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am:
To its great credit China has been introducing hard-core capitalist enterprise in several countries of Africa, with this promising to raise the living standards of ordinary Africans in the coming decades to astronomical heights from how they are now.


See above

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am:
My aunt who I lived with for four years fled from a communist country.

There will never be a communist country of the sort that Marla fantasises about after a couple of reefers.


Socialism is NOT Communism you decrypt hippie.



Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am:
Human nature being what it is, will ALWAYS (sorry for shouting) stop short of true communism ....  to start dabbling in dictatorships, Secret Police, gangster family dynasties, firing squads, and labor camps in the forests.


Two words: Patriot Act

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 7:33am:
Humanitarian Capitalism is what we have now - and it caters for both the working person and those who for some reason are not in the workplace.

What are all those millions in India, China, Africa, Indonesia, the Philippines, South East Asia, and South America waiting for? Answer: To be able to fully access capitalist workplaces so they can enjoy the same standard of living as those of us who live in the West.


Meanwhile... the real financial state of most American households is far worse than before the 2008 financial crisis and recession. Americans are now 40 percent poorer than they were in 2007.

The Pew Research Center http://www.pewresearch.org/ states that such a decline in (household) wealth is attributable to the collapse of the housing bubble, lower wages and/or lack of increase compiled with chronic mass unemployment. Again, yay for capitalism.

What is needed is a complete overthrow of this sick, dysfunctional, corrupt, present social order; a society that can only heal itself via socialism. Then, the working class (the only genuinely international social force) is capable of accomplishing this world-historical task. That is and only will be the TRUE future of which human civilization existence depends.
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Reply #29 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 5:51am
 
Marla wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 2:56am:
What is needed is a complete overthrow of this sick, dysfunctional, corrupt, present social order; a society that can only heal itself via socialism. Then, the working class (the only genuinely international social force) is capable of accomplishing this world-historical task. That is and only will be the TRUE future of which human civilization existence depends.


This is a parody, surely? Either that or you're 100 years behind.
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