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Reply #600 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:59am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

Whatever happened to ...

Merkel & the refugees?

What?! Have they all left Germany together? What a difference a day makes!

Just had the image of Merkel - a German, beardless latter day Moses in a dress - leading Semites back to their (un)promised land...

Has a Pythonesque ring to it.

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Reply #602 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:07pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

Pirsig may very well be a good writer but he apparently knows little about dogs, they are pack animals. They consider Humans are part of their pack.

Unless the human does not truly have the dog's respect. So-called 'dog whisperers' wouldn't exist if it was necessarily true that dogs always respect humans.

They're also very good at biding their time... Like wolves.

theres always a pack leader, this for most dogs is the human. The only time the dog will not have respect for the human is when the dog has not been shown the human is the pack leader. This is misunderstood by many people who do not realise that their pet dog needs to be taught that all humans are above it. This is why on occasion we have the tragic consequences of dogs mauling children within families, the dog sees the child as another member of its pack and asserts its dominance.

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Reply #603 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:16pm

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

Pirsig may very well be a good writer but he apparently knows little about dogs, they are pack animals. They consider Humans are part of their pack.

Unless the human does not truly have the dog's respect. So-called 'dog whisperers' wouldn't exist if it was necessarily true that dogs always respect humans.

They're also very good at biding their time... Like wolves.

theres always a pack leader, this for most dogs is the human. The only time the dog will not have respect for the human is when the dog has not been shown the human is the pack leader. This is misunderstood by many people who do not realise that their pet dog needs to be taught that all humans are above it. This is why on occasion we have the tragic consequences of dogs mauling children within families, the dog sees the child as another member of its pack and asserts its dominance.

Stories are also legion of dogs turning on their 'masters'.... Because they have 'certain relationships to the wolf'.

Humans are not by definition natural inter-species leaders.

The dog has to instinctively intuit natural leadership in the human. It cannot be 'shown' where it is not already self-evident. The dog will otherwise just bide its time and appear subservient, if it must, until a later date.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Merkel & the refugees Reply #604 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:11pm Stories are legion? I dont think so.
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Reply #605 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:15pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 12:07pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

Pirsig may very well be a good writer but he apparently knows little about dogs, they are pack animals. They consider Humans are part of their pack.

Unless the human does not truly have the dog's respect. So-called 'dog whisperers' wouldn't exist if it was necessarily true that dogs always respect humans.

They're also very good at biding their time... Like wolves.

theres always a pack leader, this for most dogs is the human. The only time the dog will not have respect for the human is when the dog has not been shown the human is the pack leader. This is misunderstood by many people who do not realise that their pet dog needs to be taught that all humans are above it. This is why on occasion we have the tragic consequences of dogs mauling children within families, the dog sees the child as another member of its pack and asserts its dominance.

Stories are also legion of dogs turning on their 'masters'.... Because they have 'certain relationships to the wolf'.

Humans are not by definition natural inter-species leaders.

The dog has to instinctively intuit natural leadership in the human. It cannot be 'shown' where it is not already self-evident. The dog will otherwise just bide its time and appear subservient, if it must, until a later date.

No, this is wrong. Dogs dont recognise their pack leaders as inter species. Their relationship to the wolf is the same as their relationship to the human. With dogs brought up with humans since pups imprinting occurs.Dogs quite frequently will attempt to mate with humans.

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Reply #606 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:36pm

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:15pm:

No, this is wrong. Dogs dont recognise their pack leaders as inter species. Their relationship to the wolf is the same as their relationship to the human. With dogs brought up with humans since pups imprinting occurs.Dogs quite frequently will attempt to mate with humans.

Never said that dogs have a concept of other species... Of course that'd be a human thing...

But that just reinforces the fact that if the dog does not recognise any necessary distinction between humans and itself (and he doesn't) then the only thing that that distinguishes the leader in the dog's mind is ability to lead. Where that doesnt exist in the human, why should the dog assume a submissive role?

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Merkel & the refugees Reply #607 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:55pm Hence my comment regarding many people misunderstanding the concept, when dogs are shown at a young age that humans are the pack masters there is never any issue afterwards, unless of course with those dogs prone to mental illness. Never treat your dog equally and you will be fine.
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Reply #608 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

Hence my comment regarding many people misunderstanding the concept, when dogs are shown at a young age that humans are the pack masters there is never any issue afterwards, unless of course with those dogs prone to mental illness. Never treat your dog equally and you will be fine.

No problem with that when you're talking about something like a pug... That spends its life just trying to breathe than taking over the farm!

The larger the dog, the more likely a status issue.

And, yes, never treat a [large] dog as an equal... Farmers know this well and make damn sure the dog will either accede to this fact for its life (either via instinct or circumstance) or its dead.

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Reply #609 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:15pm

Breitbart London:

An Austrian swimming bath that banned ‘refugees’ from bathing without being accompanied by their social workers last week have caved into leftist demands after just three days of criticism.
The new rules of admission at the city baths in Mödling, Austria were reported on by the local Lower Austria news service of the state broadcaster ORF on Friday, with a copy of the notice posted to the front of the swimming pool. The bath announced “due to repeated complaints both by bathers and our own staff” individuals of “immigration background” were only to be admitted if they were accompanied by appropriate escorts and with their identification paperwork.
Prompting the ban was bad behaviour at the pool including invasions of the women’s changing rooms, abusing staff, swimming in the baths while wearing outdoor clothes, and attempting to steal money from voluntary boxes. The troublemakers are reported to be part of a 180 strong migrant housing project nearby, and are thought to have been Afghan ‘refugees’.

However the ambiguously worded sign was immediately leapt upon by hard-left pro-mass migration campaigners who took to the internet to ask “Am I Aryan enough for the city bath?”. Twitter was alive with criticism of the policy, an outpouring of hatred towards the swimming pool management which Heute has described as a “shitstorm”. Attempting to draw allusions to the third Reich, some twitter users asked how many generations of Austrian citizenship were required to be eligible to swim.

Hammering home the point, the leader of the state’s Socialist Youth party Julia Jakob said of the notice: “To refuse people because of race, religion or colour is reminiscent of one of the darkest periods in our history”.

Taking their opposition from the on-line sphere to the real world, a small group of native Austrians even took part in a swimming protest on the bath on Sunday evening, shortly before the town mayor removed the sign, remarking it had been misinterpreted and had only meant to exclude a small group of troublemakers rather than all foreigners.

That this policy had been in practice already was demonstrated by one Bosnian citizen who went swimming at the weekend at the bath and reported having no trouble, telling Heute he had no problem getting in and “all were friendly” toward him.

Participants in the protest are celebrating their victory, reports TheLocal.at, by setting up a fund to buy migrants to Austria swimming costumes.
Breitbart London reported on a similar case in Germany, where the Bornheim pool banned migrants as a preventative measure after groups of men harassed women bathers, vowing to keep the ban in place until the men living at a nearby migrant centre had learnt how to behave. Just days later the pool caved to leftist pressure from local legal and social groups and threw open their doors again.
While the Mödling pool moved to ban migrants from their waters before behaviour turned violent, other baths have been less fortunate, with rapes of children, massive harrasment of women, and defecation into water reported across Austria and Germany this year. Breitbart London reported last week on another Austrian pool in Linz where a horrified mother discovered migrant men masturbating at her three year old son.

Lifeguards threw the men out of the pool but the police were not called.

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Reply #610 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:23pm

A German Member of the European Parliament (MEP) has suggested that Chancellor Angela Merkel will have to go into hiding in South America following her tenure, for fear of violent reprisals from the German people for her immigration policy. Her comments, made during a television debate, drew audible gasps from the audience.

Beatrix von Storch, a spokesman for An Alternative for Germany (AfD) was immediately confronted by the debate host, Anne Will, who challenged her with one of her own Facebook posts in which she accused Merkel of “ruining our country like no one since 1945”.

“I’m taking bets that Merkel will leave the country when she steps down – for security reasons,” the post continued, reports Die Welt.

When quizzed on whether she was serious about what she had posted, von Storch replied: “I mean that she should go into exile to Chile or South America”.

The comment drew audible gasps from the audience thanks to its allusion to the fate of Nazi and socialist leaders following the downfall of their regimes.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/25/german-eurosceptic-leader-shocks-by-p...

Yet despite jeers from the mainstream, Angela Merkel is known to have had strong links to communism in her youth. A biography published in 2013 caused a stir in Germany as it revealed that the Chancellor was secretary for “Agitation and Propaganda” in the Freie Deutsche Jugend (FDJ) youth organisation while working at the Academy of Sciences in East Berlin during the 1980s.

The German leader brushed off this episode by claiming her only duties were to buy theatre tickets and organise book readings, but former colleague and former German Transport Minister Günther Krause, who, working with Mrs. Merkel during the dying days of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) told the biography’s authors:

“With Agitation and Propaganda you’re responsible for brainwashing in the sense of Marxism. That was her task and that wasn’t cultural work. Agitation and Propaganda, that was the group that was meant to fill people’s brains with everything you were supposed to believe in the GDR, with all the ideological tricks.

“And what annoys me about this woman is simply the fact that she doesn’t admit to a closeness to the system in the GDR. From a scientific standpoint she wasn’t indispensable at the Academy of Sciences. But she was useful as a pastor’s daughter in terms of Marxism-Leninism. And she’s denying that. But it’s the truth.”

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Reply #611 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:10pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

A German Member of the European Parliament (MEP) has suggested that Chancellor Angela Merkel will have to go into hiding in South America following her tenure, for fear of violent reprisals from the German people for her immigration policy. Her comments, made during a television debate, drew audible gasps from the audience.

Beatrix von Storch, a spokesman for An Alternative for Germany (AfD) was immediately confronted by the debate host, Anne Will, who challenged her with one of her own Facebook posts in which she accused Merkel of “ruining our country like no one since 1945”.

“I’m taking bets that Merkel will leave the country when she steps down – for security reasons,” the post continued, reports Die Welt.

That wonderful news, bogarde.

I hope this will lead to a trend in which the West's political leaders will have to hide in South America to escape hit squads hunting them down to face People's Courts to answer for having let MILLIONS of Muslims take up residence in Europe and Scandinavia.

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Reply #612 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 3:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

ian wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 1:55pm:

Hence my comment regarding many people misunderstanding the concept, when dogs are shown at a young age that humans are the pack masters there is never any issue afterwards, unless of course with those dogs prone to mental illness. Never treat your dog equally and you will be fine.

No problem with that when you're talking about something like a pug... That spends its life just trying to breathe than taking over the farm!

The larger the dog, the more likely a status issue.

And, yes, never treat a [large] dog as an equal... Farmers know this well and make damn sure the dog will either accede to this fact for its life (either via instinct or circumstance) or its dead.

not entirely true NoN.
small dogs are often sat on peoples laps and treated as if the human was subservient to them.
you will find small white fluffy dogs will often consider themselves, almost the alpha , and are responsible for more bites then rotweillers.
i tend to agree with ian. my kelpies definitely see me as just an alpha dog.
horses too, see the human as just the alpha horse.

again as ian said, too much loving on an animal and you can find yourself in hot water, respect must always be taught first, then love.

same with children Wink

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150277 Gender:	Re: Merkel & the refugees Reply #614 - Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:32pm Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Signs of cultural enrichment going up all over Germany: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4kVy8JOBjsk/VqN47Kc3M0I/AAAAAAAC74k/T00dSSTeA1o/s320/m... You're not allowed to sit on little ant hills in the shower? What's the world coming to?
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