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Reply #345 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:57am
 
Really?  A competent, trustworthy fella like you is having trouble?  Keep at it son, youll get there.
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Reply #346 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:58am
 
... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 11:57am:
Really?  A competent, trustworthy fella like you is having trouble?  Keep at it son, youll get there.


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Reply #347 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:00pm
 
Its ok greg.  Im pretty sure snything of substance has been suitably buried in spam now.  No need for further covering up.
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Reply #348 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:02pm
 
... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:00pm:
Its ok greg.  Im pretty sure snything of substance has been suitably buried in spam now.  No need for further covering up.


I don't want to cover up anything.

Ich möchte den Artikel lesen.

However, I can't find the original article.

It's strange that you won't provide the link.

It's a wonderful newspaper, by the way.

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Reply #349 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:05pm
 
The internet works the same way in german, and in germany.
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Reply #350 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:08pm
 
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The internet works the same way in german, and in germany.


Just a hint for next time, Honks: make sure the article exists before you suggest that people read it.

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Reply #351 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:11pm
 
I didnt suggest anyone read it.



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Reply #352 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:14pm
 
... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:11pm:
I didnt suggest anyone read it.


Keep pedaling, Honks.

"If you spoke german, or actually cared, you could look at the original article."

And keep looking for the link.
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IF you spoke german of IF you cared, you could look at it.

But since neither apply, why would i suggest you do?
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Reply #354 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 1:31pm
 
... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 12:18pm:
IF you spoke german of IF you cared, you could look at it.

But since neither apply, why would i suggest you do?


Too late.


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Reply #355 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 6:09pm
 
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Oh, You're always trying to get to bottoms. 


Succeeding too, it would seem.

Yours is to die for, Honky.
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Reply #356 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 6:13pm
 
Miam miam.
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Reply #357 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:33pm
 
... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 8:53am:
You display such a shallow and misguided understanding of masculinity - equating it to nothing more than being an asshole - that I'm not entirely convinced you are male.  Nobody ever suggested being male made you a good man.  This is why most cultures have rites of passage to manhood.  Tellingly, we fo not.

Oh? I'm only going by the perceived definition within the article you posted. As far as I can tell, this columnist wishes for masculinity to be defined as breadwinner in the household and controller of women. What would you define masculinity to be, and what in particular is missing in European cultures?

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1.  Something so vague and emotionally based cannot ever be accurately described as "fact".  When did "men obtain more respect for women"?  was it a moment in time?  How much "more"?  All these questions cannot be answered, because your assertion is wishy-washy (feminine) nonsense.

I'd say with generational change you can definitely see a change in how men and women interact. But definitely, post the commencement of feminist movement we can see that men in developed countries, for the most part, no longer see women as only a hole or 3. I mean you can see the difference between cultures where feminism has hit the home and where it hasn't. If you haven't travelled, that's not my problem, but there is a reason that women in Thailand work as prostitutes, and it's not because the husband needs some more cash. There's a reason why women in India still get traded for dowries, and why 70% of marriages involve marital rape.  There's a reason why household decisions in India are largely made by the male. Or why women in Saudi Arabia can't drive. Or why they need to be 'covered'. It's got nothing to do with have respect for women and very much everything to do with treating women as second class citizens. There is no wishy washy, the world hasn't seen the end of chauvinistic societies and the comparisons, not just visible but statistical and based on 'cultural norms', are enough to see that what I say is true.  Not to mention that rape in western democracies has reduced in the last 50 years and you can suggest that it's just a random thing but I'd say, given the stark differences between developing and developed nations, that it's at the very least got some correlation.


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2.  I'm sure they knew how, they just didn't want to.  But now their women aren't pulling their weight, they have to.  Im quite capable of cooking lots of dishes due to time spent living alone.  Now that Im married though, I'm not going to - I work, she looks after the house.  A fair split.  That men these days are too weak to negotiate a fair split is an illustration , not a refutation.

'their' 'pulling their weight' you're basically showing once again this lack of respect for women.

And as long as how your household works is a mutual decision between 2 equals than thats great. But before feminism that was hardly the case.

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3.  Are these rates down?  Bet they're not - and that theyre up signficiantly in women.  Other factors to a lack of self discipline - for example obesity, and abortion are undoubtedly way up.  Was this a genuine misunderstanding, or contrived baloney?  I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not sure I can.

? Rates are down.  Abortion is up because abortion wasn't as available, not because people have a lack of self discipline. In reality, more people participate in safe sex today than they did in the past.  Obesity - look at Mexico, a country that is male dominated. Go check their obesity rates. 

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4.  There is no honour is deliberate misrepresentation.  Without it the  entire globalist, multicultural rainbow agenda could not stand.  There is no honour in selling out your people for an ideology.  Honour is not even a consideration for most.

examples of this dribble?

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5. There are many officials stating plainly that they've been ordered to cover up migrant crimes, and has had it made very difficult for them to puinish offenders.  Wheres the justice?

The justice is that society found out about the cover up and said 'no fck off, we want these offenders punished.' And I mean society. It was only 1500 small forehead individuals who went nuts and burnt down businesses in protest. But the vast majority of Germans calmly said, 'no this is unacceptable, we want action on this.'  And isn't that exactly how a society should function?

And are you seriously going to deny that prior to 'feminism' that officials didn't follow orders from their leaders? I guess the whole crusade, slave trade, inquisition, ww1, ww2, vietnam war, watergate, etc. etc. etc. was unilateral decision making?
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Reply #358 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:47pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:33pm:
Oh? I'm only going by the perceived definition within the article you posted.  As far as I can tell this columnist wishes for masculinity to be defined as breadwinner in the household and controller of women.



Well there's your problem - you're trying to learn "how to be a man" from a short article which doesn't even attempt to teach that.  You've had a whole lifetime to guide you, isn't it about time you applied yourself?

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And as long as how your household works is a mutual decision between 2 equals than thats great. But before feminism that was hardly the case.


Wasn't it?  Even if it was true that women "were not allowed to work", it's a fair division of labor for the husband to work outside the home and the wife to work inside it.  How is that not fair?  I'm always hearing how "housework is supposed to be a 50/50 split - bugger that noise.  If I'm working all week while she watches her soapies or plays on facebook, I ain't doing half the housework aswell.  the fact so many herblings think its a reasonable request rein reinforce what I said about men being to weak to negotiate a fair split. 

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? Rates are down.  Abortion is up because abortion wasn't as available, not because people have a lack of self discipline. [/quote]

Fine - extramarital births are also up.  It measures the same lack of discipline as abortion, yet you'd think if lack of discipline remained the same and abortion became more available, it would have to decline. 

[In reality, more people participate in safe sex today than they did in the past. [/quote]

THis is a nothing statement with no source.  Please clarify.

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Obesity - look at Mexico, a country that is male dominated. Go check their obesity rates. 


What do you think is special about mexico?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:33pm:
But the vast majority of Germans calmly said, 'no this is unacceptable, we want action on this.'  And isn't that exactly how a society should function?


The vast mnajority of germans were not supposed to find out.  The police tried to sweep it under the rug - no attempt at justice was intended.  How much more are they getting away with?
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Reply #359 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 8:09pm
 
... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Well there's your problem - you're trying to learn "how to be a man" from a short article which doesn't even attempt to teach that.  You've had a whole lifetime to guide you, isn't it about time you applied yourself?

Not at all. I know how to be a man. I'm just responding to the baseless article you heralded as some great opinion. What is it that you believe to be missing from men's masculinity in Europe? Be specific, and don't give me abstract 1 word answers.
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Wasn't it?  Even if it was true that women "were not allowed to work", it's a fair division of labor for the husband to work outside the home and the wife to work inside it.  How is that not fair?  I'm always hearing how "housework is supposed to be a 50/50 split - bugger that noise.  If I'm working all week while she watches her soapies or plays on facebook, I ain't doing half the housework aswell.  the fact so many herblings think its a reasonable request rein reinforce what I said about men being to weak to negotiate a fair split. 


It depends. If the mutual decision between equals has come to a conclusion that the woman stays at home and looks after the house and the man works then fine! But if the woman wants to pursue a career, it is a lack of respect for the woman to deny her this because it may somehow admonish your masculinity. And that's what WAS happening. The problem with the past, and STILL in developing nations where society is male dominated, is that men can't seem to handle things without complete control. Given Europe is in the process of saying goodbye to such nonsense, I'd say they are only making their balls bigger by proving they can be assertive without having unvetted and complete control.

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Fine - extramarital births are also up.  It measures the same lack of discipline as abortion, yet you'd think if lack of discipline remained the same and abortion became more available, it would have to decline. 


The rate is up or just birth numbers are up? I'd find it very surprising to see the rate up in developed nations. But even so, that isn't a sign of lack of discipline because marriage is seen as less important in our modern societies. You're confusing issues.

... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:47pm:
THis is a nothing statement with no source.  Please clarify.

Rate of safe sex is not increasing in western countries? AIDS is over? Someone alert the authorities, STDs are no longer of concern. Or, given the rise in promiscuity, we should've had some kind of  STD epidemic by now...

... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:47pm:
What do you think is special about mexico?

Spent New Years there. Male dominated country. Shocking amount of obesity. Just the latest example I've witnessed tha tI wanted to share Smiley


... wrote on Jan 21st, 2016 at 7:47pm:
The vast mnajority of germans were not supposed to find out.  The police tried to sweep it under the rug - no attempt at justice was intended.  How much more are they getting away with?

Justice doesn't end with the attempt to pervert its course. Justice has been sought by the German people upon this disgraceful event being reported, and justice will be handed down.
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