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Reply #30 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:17pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

The Labor Party has out lived it's usefulness, it's gone into "famine" and cant find a way out, it's well past it's use-by date

yes ... I remember hearing the same thing repeated about QLD labor when Newman won office ... Grin

turns out one did live out it's usefulness, and it wasn't labor Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #31 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:20pm Vic wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:48pm: much of what is written about Shorten on these boards about his union dealings and private life is untrue, has been proven untrue, but makes for salacious writing and read by the "more mentally challenged" of those who post or the town drunks
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Reply #32 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:24pm

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Bill Shorten wasnt interested in Beaconsfield until they found two men still alive.. it was left in the hands of Paul Howes..

Bill then took over and became the star reporter..opportunity knocks..

I dont know but I think that may have been a turning point for Paul Howes...

Again, you have just made up facts....re-writing history. He was at Beaconsfield a couple of days before it was discovered that the two were alive.

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Reply #34 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:29pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Bill Shorten wasnt interested in Beaconsfield until they found two men still alive.. it was left in the hands of Paul Howes..

Bill then took over and became the star reporter..opportunity knocks..

I dont know but I think that may have been a turning point for Paul Howes...

Again, you have just made up facts....re-writing history. He was at Beaconsfield a couple of days before it was discovered that the two were alive.

I am sure you have th eproof..

almost no one had heard of shorten until beaconsfield..

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Reply #35 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:31pm

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:29pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Bill Shorten wasnt interested in Beaconsfield until they found two men still alive.. it was left in the hands of Paul Howes..

Bill then took over and became the star reporter..opportunity knocks..

I dont know but I think that may have been a turning point for Paul Howes...

Again, you have just made up facts....re-writing history. He was at Beaconsfield a couple of days before it was discovered that the two were alive.

I am sure you have th eproof..

almost no one had heard of shorten until beaconsfield..

I am sure I can dig it up if you reckon I am wrong.

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Saul Goodman Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 132 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #36 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:34pm I am amazed how many people want to be really nasty and put down a good union man, helped his fellow workers for years, realised he was capable of better things in life (politics), aqua would be singing his praises i am sure We need men of vision like this!
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Reply #37 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:03pm

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

its been shown he doesnt give a stuff about union members...its all about whats in it for bill...penalty rates or big payments to the union...

How do penalty rates benefit Shorten instead of union members, cods?

Please enlighten us all.

where do you think the $300.000 in shonky donations came from ??? ..

You have no idea what penalty rates are, do you cods?

Unbelievable.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 150268 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #38 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:13pm: I dont know but I think Correct on the first part, and incorrect on the second.
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Reply #39 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

its been shown he doesnt give a stuff about union members...its all about whats in it for bill...penalty rates or big payments to the union...

How do penalty rates benefit Shorten instead of union members, cods?

Please enlighten us all.

where do you think the $300.000 in shonky donations came from ??? ..

You have no idea what penalty rates are, do you cods?

Unbelievable.

OH I WOULDNT BE TOO SURE ABOUT THAT GWEGGY

FACTS..

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/australian-workers-union-traded-off-2-million-in-worke...

Mr Stoljar said the arrangement meant that some workers were paid about $18.14 per hour instead of at least $50.17 per hour - about 176 per cent more that would have applied under the 2010 Award.
"[So] far as Cleanevent was concerned, keeping the MOU in place saved it some $2 million per year that it would otherwise have to pay its employees by way of wages or penalty rates," he said.

FACTS...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/bradley-does-bill-shorten-really-deserve-t...

What legitimate interest does a union have in soliciting money from employers with whom it is negotiating on its members' behalf? Its real interest, no doubt, is in funding its own operations and perhaps pursuing broader political purposes. The money comes in very handy, I'm sure.

FACTS

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cleanevent-finance-manager-julianne-page-admits-austra...

Julianne Page worked as a finance manager at Spotless Cleaning in 2006 and its new owner Cleanevent in 2010 when a new pay deal was struck, extending 2006 pay rates to workers, which were well below 2010 modern award rates.
When counsel assisting Jeremy Stoljar, SC, asked her if she thought that making the payment to the union would save the company $1.5 million, Ms Page said "yes".

there are many examples.. but I thought for the sake of peace I would get the info from the LEFTY point of view....ok not FACEBOOK.. but I am sure the ABC and the DRum will suit you..

give them a try and read the whole thing....

as they each talk about different aspects of Unions receiving large payments of
questionable
MONEY...

that was never disclosed to their members???..greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

I dont know but I think

Correct on the first part, and incorrect on the second.

Mr Egg on Face Gweggy... Grin

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Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR
Reply #40 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:21pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:01pm:

The Labor Party has out lived it's usefulness, it's gone into "famine" and cant find a way out, it's well past it's use-by date

yes ... I remember hearing the same thing repeated about QLD labor when Newman won office ... Grin

turns out one did live out it's usefulness, and it wasn't labor Cheesy

Nope they're out of date and useless, not everyone has cottoned on to that fact yet. Any more social programs and we'll be poorer than North Korea then Shorty can change his name to Kim Ill Jughead

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Our Lives Are Governed By The Feast & Famine Variable

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Reply #41 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 1:58pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 1:05pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

the dmage is done sunshine... its what people believe in.. not what YOU read on FACEBOOK that matters to them..

I cant think too many, rusted on aside...that believe he is Mr Innocent of everything... Roll Eyes

like you do..

"The trade union royal commission inquiry’s lawyers say Labor leader Bill Shorten didn’t engage in criminal or unlawful conduct while a union official."

oh thats right you like lawyers dont you... gillard anyone..

they couldnt pin him on it.....because he had moved onto the front bench by the time it was all signed off on..........but he organised it all...even still brags about how he dealt with these criminal construction companies...... who are also on the list to be investigated... Roll Eyes

..

remember how he waffled and waffled....a good sign of someone not in a good place...

but you keep your picture of him on your wall gweggy.... he would like that.

"The trade union royal commission inquiry’s lawyers say Labor leader Bill Shorten didn’t engage in criminal or unlawful conduct while a union official."

keep that pic on that wall gweggy.. do a selfy for him he needs all that lurv..........send him love and cuddles from cods.. tell him to hang in there.. turnbull needs him.. Grin

I'm not a fan of Bill Shorten.

Never have been.

I'm just stating the facts (look that word up in a dictionary):

"The trade union royal commission inquiry’s lawyers say Labor leader Bill Shorten didn’t engage in criminal or unlawful conduct while a union official."

While you've got the dictionary open, look up the word 'objective' too.

but he DID engage in illegal behaviour. AFter all, you are the prize goose who thinks unlawful and illegal have different meanings.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #42 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:27pm

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:03pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:19pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

its been shown he doesnt give a stuff about union members...its all about whats in it for bill...penalty rates or big payments to the union...

How do penalty rates benefit Shorten instead of union members, cods?

Please enlighten us all.

where do you think the $300.000 in shonky donations came from ??? ..

You have no idea what penalty rates are, do you cods?

Unbelievable.

OH I WOULDNT BE TOO SURE ABOUT THAT GWEGGY

FACTS..

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/australian-workers-union-traded-off-2-million-in-worke...

Mr Stoljar said the arrangement meant that some workers were paid about $18.14 per hour instead of at least $50.17 per hour - about 176 per cent more that would have applied under the 2010 Award.
"[So] far as Cleanevent was concerned, keeping the MOU in place saved it some $2 million per year that it would otherwise have to pay its employees by way of wages or penalty rates," he said.

FACTS...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/bradley-does-bill-shorten-really-deserve-t...

What legitimate interest does a union have in soliciting money from employers with whom it is negotiating on its members' behalf? Its real interest, no doubt, is in funding its own operations and perhaps pursuing broader political purposes. The money comes in very handy, I'm sure.

FACTS

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/cleanevent-finance-manager-julianne-page-admits-austra...

Julianne Page worked as a finance manager at Spotless Cleaning in 2006 and its new owner Cleanevent in 2010 when a new pay deal was struck, extending 2006 pay rates to workers, which were well below 2010 modern award rates.
When counsel assisting Jeremy Stoljar, SC, asked her if she thought that making the payment to the union would save the company $1.5 million, Ms Page said "yes".

there are many examples.. but I thought for the sake of peace I would get the info from the LEFTY point of view....ok not FACEBOOK.. but I am sure the ABC and the DRum will suit you..

give them a try and read the whole thing....

as they each talk about different aspects of Unions receiving large payments of
questionable
MONEY...

that was never disclosed to their members???..greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

I dont know but I think

Correct on the first part, and incorrect on the second.

Mr Egg on Face Gweggy... Grin

But it wasnt UNLAWFUL and thats all peccahead cares about. after all, in the ALP, remaining legal is the standard that aim for. ethical, moral and upstanding went a LONG time ago.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36379 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #43 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:35pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:24pm: but he DID engage in illegal behaviour. AFter all, you are the prize goose who thinks unlawful and illegal have different meanings. They do. This has been explained to you before.
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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #44 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:46pm who's Bull Shitten? isn't Penny Wong the leader of the Labrats?
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