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the good ole boys Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 658 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #135 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:50pm mothra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:48pm: the good ole boys wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:43pm: Deporting country shoppers. Hush now, the grown-ups are talking. piss off you ugly bitch.
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Reply #136 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:54pm

the good ole boys wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Deporting country shoppers.

Hush now, the grown-ups are talking.

piss off you ugly bitch.

Another man on this forum who thinks calling me sexually undesirable is the way to win an argument.

All class.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #137 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 7:01pm

mothra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

the good ole boys wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Deporting country shoppers.

Hush now, the grown-ups are talking.

piss off you ugly bitch.

Another man on this forum who thinks.

I've seen no evidence to suggest that.

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GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

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Reply #138 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:21pm

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CRIMINAL CODE - SECT 408A

408A Unlawful use or possession of motor vehicles, aircraft or vessels
(1) A person whoâ€”

(a) unlawfully uses any motor vehicle, aircraft or vessel without the consent of the person in lawful possession thereof; or
(b) has in the person's possession any motor vehicle, aircraft or vessel without the consent of the person in lawful possession thereof with intent to deprive the owner or person in lawful possession thereof of the use and possession thereof either temporarily or permanently;
is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 7 years.

It is unlawful and because it is proscribed by law, illegal, guilty of a crime.

On the other hand...

It's unlawful to cross our borders without a visa and may be illegal unless for example you are claiming asylum, which is legal.

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Reply #139 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:58pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 1:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:27pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:19am:

ian wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

'construe words" Lol. Way to illustrate your command of the English language. Time to change your tampon, I think toxic shock syndrome has set in..

says the fool who for the better part of 3 years has done the same routine of claiming two words are identical in meaning, being shown to be wrong, escapes under a rock, then comes back and pretends he was never schooled.

So tell me, fool, how did I misunderstand your stupendous argument?

When the Oxford Dictionary tells you the two words are synonymous, who the hell do you think YOU are to disagree?

I dont. But i recognise that legally they have different meanings, and i think youll find no lawyers would use them synonymously. Stick to pretending to write childrens books longie.

Nonsense. Because the terms are 100% synonymous, they are used interchangeably and I defy you to find an Australian lawyer that would say differently.

So far I've got my family member barrister, their 30 odd chamber colleagues, my best mate lawyer, his 300 odd firm colleagues,, and my other 10 mates who are lawyers, and their colleagues.

You have what? Your own belief based on nothing?

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Reply #140 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:05pm

ian wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 5:50pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

ian wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:24am:

I didnt claim the 2 words were identical in meaning. Those hormones are giving you hallucinations.

But you did claim that statements that were correct were not correct based on that belief.

Nope. The difficulty you and others are having here is recognising the difference between the way the words are commonly used and the dictionary definition of them. The words are not identical in meaning, however they are used interchangably to mean the same thing in common usage, including in a court of law. This is the problem with people like Alevine who can only argue from a position of knowing how to google rather than any actual existing knowledge and logical extrapolation of that knowledge. It invariably becomes an argument of semantics, this is how Greggary and others think they win debates here. They never win, because they never learn when they are wrong, they bog the simplest debate such as this so far down in semantics to prop up their infantile egos that actual knowledge can never enter their bubbles. Anyone who has spent any time in a court of law knows from experience that the 2 words are used to mean the same thing.

Going to a magistrate court to defend yourself against a driving violation (probably for driving on the walking strip because you're an idiot) hardly gives you credibility to decide whether in law unlawful and illegal mean the same thing. They don't, and barristers,and judges, don't use them interchangeably, because they know they carry different meanings when it comes to the law, fool. Words and meaning of words is very important, especially in a court of law. If you have a barrister who uses illegal and unlawful interchangeable then change barristers.

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Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.

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Reply #141 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:10pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

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CRIMINAL CODE - SECT 408A

408A Unlawful use or possession of motor vehicles, aircraft or vessels
(1) A person whoâ€”

(a) unlawfully uses any motor vehicle, aircraft or vessel without the consent of the person in lawful possession thereof; or
(b) has in the person's possession any motor vehicle, aircraft or vessel without the consent of the person in lawful possession thereof with intent to deprive the owner or person in lawful possession thereof of the use and possession thereof either temporarily or permanently;
is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 7 years.

It is unlawful and because it is proscribed by law, illegal, guilty of a crime.

On the other hand...

It's unlawful to cross our borders without a visa and may be illegal unless for example you are claiming asylum, which is legal.

Setanta, I would not be too eager to rely on the expressions used in criminal codes around the Country. All I can do is tell you about the Queensland position which is ~ the Code actually describes what is meant by the term unlawfully ~ 'authorised, justified or excused by Law,' ..... that's from memory. If there is a challenge, I'll go check.

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Reply #142 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:14pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Quote:

CRIMINAL CODE - SECT 408A

408A Unlawful use or possession of motor vehicles, aircraft or vessels
(1) A person whoâ€”

(a) unlawfully uses any motor vehicle, aircraft or vessel without the consent of the person in lawful possession thereof; or
(b) has in the person's possession any motor vehicle, aircraft or vessel without the consent of the person in lawful possession thereof with intent to deprive the owner or person in lawful possession thereof of the use and possession thereof either temporarily or permanently;
is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 7 years.

It is unlawful and because it is proscribed by law, illegal, guilty of a crime.

On the other hand...

It's unlawful to cross our borders without a visa and may be illegal unless for example you are claiming asylum, which is legal.

Setanta, I would not be too eager to rely on the expressions used in criminal codes around the Country. All I can do is tell you about the Queensland position which is ~ the Code actually describes what is meant by the term unlawfully ~ 'authorised, justified or excused by Law,' ..... that's from memory. If there is a challenge, I'll go check.

many blessings

there are those amongst you that are great repeaters

these ones push out their chest at being the best repeater on the block ..

which evidently only serves the 2 party system and

blacks law statutory law ..

these are quite important it would appear

the ego does its dance

carry on regardless

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Reply #143 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Setanta, I would not be too eager to rely on the expressions used in criminal codes around the Country. All I can do is tell you about the Queensland position which is ~ the Code actually describes what is meant by the term unlawfully ~ 'authorised, justified or excused by Law,' ..... that's from memory. If there is a challenge, I'll go check.

All well and good but something unlawful can also be legal but most of the time if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. Yes I understand there is a subtle difference, I also understand in most cases if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. In most cases but not all they are synonymous.

I'm not sure which side I'm falling on here as both are being beligerent rather than seeking a reasonable resolution and understanding.

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Reply #144 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Setanta, I would not be too eager to rely on the expressions used in criminal codes around the Country. All I can do is tell you about the Queensland position which is ~ the Code actually describes what is meant by the term unlawfully ~ 'authorised, justified or excused by Law,' ..... that's from memory. If there is a challenge, I'll go check.

All well and good but something unlawful can also be legal but most of the time if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. Yes I understand there is a subtle difference, I also understand in most cases if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. In most cases but not all they are synonymous.

I'm not sure which side I'm falling on here as both are being beligerent rather than seeking a reasonable resolution and understanding.

I don't see how you can claim to be Sweden when you just put out a definition that clearly falls on one side.

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Reply #145 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Setanta, I would not be too eager to rely on the expressions used in criminal codes around the Country. All I can do is tell you about the Queensland position which is ~ the Code actually describes what is meant by the term unlawfully ~ 'authorised, justified or excused by Law,' ..... that's from memory. If there is a challenge, I'll go check.

All well and good but something unlawful can also be legal but most of the time if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. Yes I understand there is a subtle difference, I also understand in most cases if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. In most cases but not all they are synonymous.

I'm not sure which side I'm falling on here as both are being beligerent rather than seeking a reasonable resolution and understanding.

I don't see how you can claim to be Sweden when you just put out a definition that clearly falls on one side.

I suppose that's fair. There is a difference, except when there's not or there is no difference except when there is. Undecided

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Reply #146 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Setanta wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Setanta, I would not be too eager to rely on the expressions used in criminal codes around the Country. All I can do is tell you about the Queensland position which is ~ the Code actually describes what is meant by the term unlawfully ~ 'authorised, justified or excused by Law,' ..... that's from memory. If there is a challenge, I'll go check.

All well and good but something unlawful can also be legal but most of the time if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. Yes I understand there is a subtle difference, I also understand in most cases if it's unlawful, it's also illegal. In most cases but not all they are synonymous.

I'm not sure which side I'm falling on here as both are being beligerent rather than seeking a reasonable resolution and understanding.

I don't see how you can claim to be Sweden when you just put out a definition that clearly falls on one side.

I suppose that's fair. There is a difference, except when there's not or there is no difference except when there is. Undecided

Read Machiavelli's "The Prince" (again - I think you may have) - what good is a settled and established system for all unless you can make exceptions at the drop of a hat on a purely arbitrary basis? How would you cow the populace if everything was above board and simple and honest?

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