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Reply #90 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

but he DID engage in illegal behaviour. AFter all, you are the prize goose who thinks unlawful and illegal have different meanings.

They do. This has been explained to you before.

i remember the tortured and ultimately failed explanations. quite simply the two words are 100% synonyms in any context.

Just because you lack the mental agility to understand the difference, it doesn't mean there isn't one.

I'll explain... again.

Illegal means there is a specific law passed bu a legislative body that makes it illegal.

Unlawful means something that goes against the established law without there being a specific law enacted by a legislative body to condemn it.

There are not specific laws for every wrong doing. These acts are unlawful without being illegal.

Do you understand now? Or would you like the dictionary definitions?

Mothra is correct, though in most cases it makes no practical difference.

Yes, she's 100% correct.

There is a difference.

Something illegal is expressly proscribed by statute, and something unlawful is just not expressly authorized.

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Reply #91 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:56pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

but he DID engage in illegal behaviour. AFter all, you are the prize goose who thinks unlawful and illegal have different meanings.

They do. This has been explained to you before.

i remember the tortured and ultimately failed explanations. quite simply the two words are 100% synonyms in any context.

Just because you lack the mental agility to understand the difference, it doesn't mean there isn't one.

I'll explain... again.

Illegal means there is a specific law passed bu a legislative body that makes it illegal.

Unlawful means something that goes against the established law without there being a specific law enacted by a legislative body to condemn it.

There are not specific laws for every wrong doing. These acts are unlawful without being illegal.

Do you understand now? Or would you like the dictionary definitions?

Not this again, Mothra? I had hoped over the past few weeks that the drugs might have filtered out of your system and you could make more sense.

Homicide is an 'unlawful killing'. In even the dumbest of minds that means it is illegal.

Not all homicide is unlawful. Self defence is not unlawful. Executions are not unlawful.

Couldn't you have worked that out for yourself?

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Reply #92 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:09pm

unlawful

Line breaks: un|law¦ful
Pronunciation: /ʌnˈlɔːfʊl/ /ʌnˈlɔːf(ə)l/
Definition of unlawful in English:
adjective

Not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules:
the use of unlawful violence
they claimed the ban was unlawful

On the difference between unlawful and illegal, see illegal (usage).

illegal
See definition in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
Line breaks: il|legal
Pronunciation: /ɪˈliːɡ(ə)l/
Definition of illegal in English:
adjective

Contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law:
illegal drugs

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/illegal#illegal__8

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #93 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm unlawful ʌnˈlɔːfʊl,-f(ə)l/Submit adjective not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules. "the use of unlawful violence" synonyms: illegal, illicit, lawbreaking, illegitimate, against the law;
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 36379 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #94 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm On the difference between unlawful and illegal, see illegal (usage).
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Reply #95 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

ian wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

unlawful
ʌnˈlɔːfʊl,-f(ə)l/Submit
adjective
not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules.
"the use of unlawful violence"
synonyms: illegal, illicit, lawbreaking, illegitimate, against the law;

There is also a lawful use of violence. There are illegal uses of violence and legal uses of violence. It may be seen as hair splitting or pedantic but there is a subtle difference. In most or many cases, there is no difference because they may overlap with other law. Unlawful use of a motor vehicle might be a starting point.

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Reply #96 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

Setanta wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

ian wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

unlawful
ʌnˈlɔːfʊl,-f(ə)l/Submit
adjective
not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules.
"the use of unlawful violence"
synonyms: illegal, illicit, lawbreaking, illegitimate, against the law;

There is also a lawful use of violence. There are illegal uses of violence and legal uses of violence. It may be seen as hair splitting or pedantic but there is a subtle difference. In most or many cases, there is no difference because they may overlap with other law. Unlawful use of a motor vehicle might be a starting point.

Give that man a cigar

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #97 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:26pm ian wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm: unlawful ʌnˈlɔːfʊl,-f(ə)l/Submit adjective not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules. "the use of unlawful violence" synonyms: illegal, illicit, lawbreaking, illegitimate, against the law; You disagreeing with the Oxford dictionary now, fool?
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Reply #98 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

mothra wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

but he DID engage in illegal behaviour. AFter all, you are the prize goose who thinks unlawful and illegal have different meanings.

They do. This has been explained to you before.

i remember the tortured and ultimately failed explanations. quite simply the two words are 100% synonyms in any context.

Just because you lack the mental agility to understand the difference, it doesn't mean there isn't one.

I'll explain... again.

Illegal means there is a specific law passed bu a legislative body that makes it illegal.

Unlawful means something that goes against the established law without there being a specific law enacted by a legislative body to condemn it.

There are not specific laws for every wrong doing. These acts are unlawful without being illegal.

Do you understand now? Or would you like the dictionary definitions?

Not this again, Mothra? I had hoped over the past few weeks that the drugs might have filtered out of your system and you could make more sense.

Homicide is an 'unlawful killing'. In even the dumbest of minds that means it is illegal.

Wow longie you're an idiot. Homicide is to kill somebody, but you don't actually get arrested for homicide. You get arrested for murder, or perhaps manslaughter - why? Because
Murder/manslaughter are illegal acts.

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Reply #99 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:50pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

ian wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

unlawful
ʌnˈlɔːfʊl,-f(ə)l/Submit
adjective
not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules.
"the use of unlawful violence"
synonyms: illegal, illicit, lawbreaking, illegitimate, against the law;

You disagreeing with the Oxford dictionary now, fool?

the Oxford English dictionary agrees that Illegal is a synonym of unlawful. No need to sign your posts at the end, we are quite aware of who you are.

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Reply #100 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:54pm

ian wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 11:26pm:

ian wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

unlawful
ʌnˈlɔːfʊl,-f(ə)l/Submit
adjective
not conforming to, permitted by, or recognized by law or rules.
"the use of unlawful violence"
synonyms: illegal, illicit, lawbreaking, illegitimate, against the law;

You disagreeing with the Oxford dictionary now, fool?

the Oxford English dictionary agrees that Illegal is a synonym of unlawful. No need to sign your posts at the end, we are quite aware of who you are.

Fool

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Illegal and unlawful have slightly different meanings, although they are often used interchangeably. Something that is illegal is against the law, whereas an unlawful act merely contravenes the rules that apply in a particular context. Thus handball in soccer is unlawful, but it is not illegal. A third word with a similar meaning is illicit: this tends to encompass things that are forbidden or disapproved of by custom or society, as in an illicit love affair.

From Oxford dictionary.

Go hide under your rock until the next time, when undoubtedly you'll
Pretend you weren't schooled each and every other time.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #101 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:00am awww.. Alevine is having his period and doesnt realise he just posted in support of my argument because he didnt read it carefully enough.
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Reply #102 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:08am

ian wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:00am:

awww.. Alevine is having his period and doesnt realise he just posted in support of my argument because he didnt read it carefully enough.

Awe looks like the fool is once again going to try and construe words in order to avoid looking more foolish.

It's always the same song with you. Quite pathetic, really.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: why IS SHORTEN SO UNPOPULAR Reply #103 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:11am 'construe words" Lol. Way to illustrate your command of the English language. Time to change your tampon, I think toxic shock syndrome has set in..
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Reply #104 - Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:19am

ian wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

'construe words" Lol. Way to illustrate your command of the English language. Time to change your tampon, I think toxic shock syndrome has set in..

says the fool who for the better part of 3 years has done the same routine of claiming two words are identical in meaning, being shown to be wrong, escapes under a rock, then comes back and pretends he was never schooled.

So tell me, fool, how did I misunderstand your stupendous argument?

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