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Reply #75 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:47pm
 
mitasol wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Have you ever seen the peer review system at work?



These days it is generally called Pal-reviewed.
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Reply #76 - Jan 8th, 2016 at 11:00pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:47pm:
mitasol wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Have you ever seen the peer review system at work?



These days it is generally called Pal-reviewed.


Exactly. I work with scientists all day and all they are worried about is where their next grant is coming from
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Reply #77 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 6:09am
 
Perhaps you are right.  Perhaps papers produced at the Heartland Institute with Exxon money is a better source of the truth.

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Reply #78 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 7:20am
 
mitasol wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:47pm:
mitasol wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Have you ever seen the peer review system at work?


These days it is generally called Pal-reviewed.


Exactly. I work with scientists all day and all they are worried about is where their next grant is coming from


So you are in Townsville and work with scientists.  Most likely you are at James Cook or GBRMPA.

One teaches the rigor of science the other applies it while you claim it's worthless.  If you are in one of those you should get out and save yourself.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #79 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 7:33am
 
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 7:20am:
mitasol wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:47pm:
mitasol wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:42pm:
Have you ever seen the peer review system at work?


These days it is generally called Pal-reviewed.


Exactly. I work with scientists all day and all they are worried about is where their next grant is coming from


So you are in Townsville and work with scientists.  Most likely you are at James Cook or GBRMPA.

One teaches the rigor of science the other applies it while you claim it's worthless.  If you are in one of those you should get out and save yourself.



Wrong again, shouldn't make assumptions should you?

Oh and show me where I "claim it's worthless" whatever it is....

Typical climate alarmist, attack the person who dares question you.
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Reply #80 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 7:55am
 
random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 6:14pm:
So the COP 21 meeting in Paris, seen any text that said climate change is not happening. 

So you got nothing?


Stop being fooled by these pigs that want to pass a tax on the air we breath so they can then sell air to our governments fleecing us as individuals and the nation.

The Earth's temperature fluctuates with the cycles of the sun and with the cosmic rays that reach the Earth from outer space.

You want proof look at this chart last 2000, I don't really see anything disturbing do you...???

Esper et al

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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/18/yet-another-paper-demonstrates-warmer-temp...

Medieval warm period warmer than today.


Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012



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Reply #81 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:03am
 
Ah still quoting Exxon stuff?  Got something credible? 

"funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[25]
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Reply #82 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:08am
 
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:03am:
Ah still quoting Exxon stuff?  Got something credible? 

"funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[25]


You sir are a tool.

I suppose all those papers where funded by exxon too...!!!

CORK HEAD...... Shocked

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Reply #83 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:52am
 
From you ... I'll take that as a complement.

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Reply #84 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:57am
 
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:03am:
Ah still quoting Exxon stuff?  Got something credible? 

"funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[25]



and yet

Climate Change Business Journal estimates the Climate Change Industry is a $1.5 Trillion dollar escapade, which means four billion dollars a day is spent on our quest to change the climate.

Most industries this size exist because they produce something the market wants. They worry that competitors might chip into their market share, but they don’t worry that the market might disappear overnight. Normal industries fear that a “bad” political outcome might reduce profits by ten or twenty percent, and sometimes they donate “both ways”. But the climate industry has literally a trillion on the table that depends on big-government policy and election outcomes. They are always one prime-time documentary away from disaster. What if the public saw that thermometers were next to industrial exhaust vents? What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled, broken, and non-functional, or that 28 million weather balloons show carbon reduction is fruitless pursuit? What if they knew historic records are wildly adjusted to make the current weather look warmer than it would?

if you have a dodgy theory, set up a dependent industry fast, and sit back while they lobby and push your theory for you.
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Reply #85 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:34am
 
mitasol wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:57am:
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:03am:
Ah still quoting Exxon stuff?  Got something credible? 

"funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[25]



and yet

Climate Change Business Journal estimates the Climate Change Industry is a $1.5 Trillion dollar escapade, which means four billion dollars a day is spent on our quest to change the climate.

Most industries this size exist because they produce something the market wants. They worry that competitors might chip into their market share, but they don’t worry that the market might disappear overnight. Normal industries fear that a “bad” political outcome might reduce profits by ten or twenty percent, and sometimes they donate “both ways”. But the climate industry has literally a trillion on the table that depends on big-government policy and election outcomes. They are always one prime-time documentary away from disaster. What if the public saw that thermometers were next to industrial exhaust vents? What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled, broken, and non-functional, or that 28 million weather balloons show carbon reduction is fruitless pursuit? What if they knew historic records are wildly adjusted to make the current weather look warmer than it would?

if you have a dodgy theory, set up a dependent industry fast, and sit back while they lobby and push your theory for you.


It's hard to know where to start with just how dumb that quote is.  You didn't reference it but it's all over the denial-sphere to be repeated by sheeple.  You are Exhibit A in the proof of that.

But let's just for fun pick one or two parts of it to explore. 

How about ...

1. "What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled,"

Is that even possible?  Did a school child write that?

2. "[i] ... or that 28 million weather balloons show carbon reduction is fruitless pursuit"[/i]

WTF does that even mean?  Please send links to help me out with that one.   Roll Eyes

So you see sheeple repeat this meaningless shite because that's all there is.  No science no facts, no evidence of thought.
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Reply #86 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 11:04am
 
lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 10:04pm:
random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
I expected you to substantiate your claims, but I knew that was futile.



What claim did I make?I have been back through the thread and can't see anything.

random wrote on Jan 8th, 2016 at 8:56pm:
No one in the Big End of town is doubting what human produced CO2 is doing to the climate, only shills and the easily led here are doing that.



Funny. You're the one screaming climate change, climate change.

And as I said climate changes all the time.

So seeing as, according to you, we have anthropogenic climate change; what is the optimum temperature of the earth? Should it be uniform?



Talk about people who have nothing. Your name is top of the list.

Go back and hide behind nanny's skirts.
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Reply #87 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 11:38am
 
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:34am:
mitasol wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:57am:
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 8:03am:
Ah still quoting Exxon stuff?  Got something credible? 

"funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[25]



and yet

Climate Change Business Journal estimates the Climate Change Industry is a $1.5 Trillion dollar escapade, which means four billion dollars a day is spent on our quest to change the climate.

Most industries this size exist because they produce something the market wants. They worry that competitors might chip into their market share, but they don’t worry that the market might disappear overnight. Normal industries fear that a “bad” political outcome might reduce profits by ten or twenty percent, and sometimes they donate “both ways”. But the climate industry has literally a trillion on the table that depends on big-government policy and election outcomes. They are always one prime-time documentary away from disaster. What if the public saw that thermometers were next to industrial exhaust vents? What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled, broken, and non-functional, or that 28 million weather balloons show carbon reduction is fruitless pursuit? What if they knew historic records are wildly adjusted to make the current weather look warmer than it would?

if you have a dodgy theory, set up a dependent industry fast, and sit back while they lobby and push your theory for you.


It's hard to know where to start with just how dumb that quote is.  You didn't reference it but it's all over the denial-sphere to be repeated by sheeple.  You are Exhibit A in the proof of that.

But let's just for fun pick one or two parts of it to explore. 

How about ...

1. "What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled,"

Is that even possible?  Did a school child write that?

2. "[i] ... or that 28 million weather balloons show carbon reduction is fruitless pursuit"[/i]

WTF does that even mean?  Please send links to help me out with that one.   Roll Eyes

So you see sheeple repeat this meaningless shite because that's all there is.  No science no facts, no evidence of thought.


Again you missed the entire point of the post - note where it says "what if...." But like most climate alarmists you cherry pick to suit yourself.

Climate changes, science is ever changing, it is never "settled". The only ones who want the science settled are generally lefties and earthians, when it suits their socialist agendas.
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Reply #88 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 11:47am
 
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:34am:
But let's just for fun pick one or two parts of it to explore. 

How about ...

1. "What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled,"

Is that even possible?  Did a school child write that?


Where have you been for the last 25 years, here are the IPCC predictions vs real life obsevations.

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Now when your theory backed up by your calculations isn't realised after an observation period what does that tell you.

THAT YOU ARE WRONG...back to the drawing board.

Its dickwads like yourself these pigs we call the oligarchy are turning into foot soldiers to pass a tax on the air we breath.

I'll tell you one thing though, once this $2 or $1.5 trillion dollar carbon derivatives market is up and running, curbing manmade CO2 emissions will be the last thing on the oligarchies mind, and you my friend will be left with your cock in your hands.

random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:34am:
2. "[i] ... or that 28 million weather balloons show carbon reduction is fruitless pursuit"[/i]

WTF does that even mean?  Please send links to help me out with that one.   Roll Eyes


Your kidding right you don't know that thousands of weather balloons go up into our atmosphere every day to measure temperature.

Not to mention the satellite data we receive.

Guess what both have failed to find the hot spot in the tropopause that appears in the IPCC and other alarmist computer models.

That's why they started saying that this missing heat has gone into the oceans.

WRONG again... we have the Argo system deployed around the world measuring temperature in the oceans and it hasn't detected this missing heat.

Better get over to sceptical science blog run by a cartoonist with ties to Al Gore so they can teach you how to combat these facts, they may even let you become an algorian.

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Reply #89 - Jan 9th, 2016 at 12:34pm
 
random wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 9:34am:
1. "What if they learned that the climate models are unskilled,"

Is that even possible?  Did a school child write that?



Please provide a link to show climate models are skilled
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