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Reply #45 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 7:31am

2. Re what Obama stated.... that could mean ANYTHING. Tip: Whenever ANY POLITICIAN reads a carefully worded statement ...read btwn the lines.

Could mean anything but it does not. It means what it says. Do some reading if you are interested.

3. I personally believe we have a case to answer.

Your personal beliefs are semi-interesting and irrelevant in a discussion on science.

4. I won't be home til 8pm tonight. Chat then? [/quote]

What? Chat? WTF? This is a forum.

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Reply #46 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:27am

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Do you take stuff from Exxon seriously? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

The EXxon claims are BS and long since been proven rubbish. but it serves the purpose for you to repeat it since you are brainless.

and 'sceptical science' is responsible since the one thing it is NOT is sceptical? and run by a nobody from QLD uni?

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #47 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:29am

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

You are supporting the position that there is a debate on this, there isn't. There is no stalemate. The perception that there is exist only in forums like this now. That's because Big energy is still spending money on misinformation.

The planets heads of government just met in Paris recently and they don't see any stalemate. Obama has described climate change as a threat to US National Security.

Any perception that there is a question over what is happening is an indication of the effort being placed into infiltrating social media by the Big energy lobby.

Same graphs that Ajax posted appear in every forum of any size across the planet. No coincidence, the denial machine is strong.

forget your silly notions and point me to the actual environmental evidence of runaway global warming. no warming in 18 years. a 'massive' 0.6 degree rise over 100 years after coming out of the little ice age. no melting of the poles and no increase in extreme weather events. and the 'massive' sea level rises of just 4 inches?

forget the hyperbole and show me the FACTS.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #48 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:42am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

You are supporting the position that there is a debate on this, there isn't. There is no stalemate. The perception that there is exist only in forums like this now. That's because Big energy is still spending money on misinformation.

The planets heads of government just met in Paris recently and they don't see any stalemate. Obama has described climate change as a threat to US National Security.

Any perception that there is a question over what is happening is an indication of the effort being placed into infiltrating social media by the Big energy lobby.

Same graphs that Ajax posted appear in every forum of any size across the planet. No coincidence, the denial machine is strong.

forget your silly notions and point me to the actual environmental evidence of runaway global warming. no warming in 18 years. a 'massive' 0.6 degree rise over 100 years after coming out of the little ice age. no melting of the poles and no increase in extreme weather events. and the 'massive' sea level rises of just 4 inches?

forget the hyperbole and show me the FACTS.

Let's start with you proving some facts on the claims you have made. Right now I say you are full of it.

You made the claims ... back em up. Credible references would be appreciated.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #49 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:48am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Do you take stuff from Exxon seriously? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

The EXxon claims are BS and long since been proven rubbish. but it serves the purpose for you to repeat it since you are brainless.

and 'sceptical science' is responsible since the one thing it is NOT is sceptical? and run by a nobody from QLD uni?

Don think you are very good at this.

ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers

"CMD recently provided the New York Attorney General with detailed information about ExxonMobil's funding of another climate change denial group, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Both CFACT and Heartland participate in ALEC, and have provided state legislators with climate denial briefings at recent ALEC conferences."

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/12/12997/market-has-spoken-funders-flee-free-market-climate-denial-group

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #50 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 2:42pm Blah, blah, blah...yawn....The increased levels of CO2 have resulted in increased growth of vegetation (read cops)..Comes in handy when you have to feed the gut wrenching trillions.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #51 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:23pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Do you take stuff from Exxon seriously? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

The EXxon claims are BS and long since been proven rubbish. but it serves the purpose for you to repeat it since you are brainless.

and 'sceptical science' is responsible since the one thing it is NOT is sceptical? and run by a nobody from QLD uni?

Don think you are very good at this.

ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers

"CMD recently provided the New York Attorney General with detailed information about ExxonMobil's funding of another climate change denial group, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Both CFACT and Heartland participate in ALEC, and have provided state legislators with climate denial briefings at recent ALEC conferences."

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/12/12997/market-has-spoken-funders-flee-free-market-climate-denial-group

Longy has answered you nicely but I would like to reinforce one thing.

That bird flew out of its cage long ago that big oil is obstructing global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/energy-environment/oil-companies-clim...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/shell-ceo-says-carbon-price-needed-to-tack...

You see most of those corporations are owned by bankers somewhere high up in the triangle.

And its those greedy bankers that are behind the Anthropogenic global warming religion, them and their mates the club of Rome, look it up some time cork head.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1450609083

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #52 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:49pm

Ajax wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Do you take stuff from Exxon seriously? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

The EXxon claims are BS and long since been proven rubbish. but it serves the purpose for you to repeat it since you are brainless.

and 'sceptical science' is responsible since the one thing it is NOT is sceptical? and run by a nobody from QLD uni?

Don think you are very good at this.

ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers

"CMD recently provided the New York Attorney General with detailed information about ExxonMobil's funding of another climate change denial group, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Both CFACT and Heartland participate in ALEC, and have provided state legislators with climate denial briefings at recent ALEC conferences."

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/12/12997/market-has-spoken-funders-flee-free-market-climate-denial-group

Longy has answered you nicely but I would like to reinforce one thing.

That bird flew out of its cage long ago that big oil is obstructing global warming.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/energy-environment/oil-companies-clim...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-02/shell-ceo-says-carbon-price-needed-to-tack...

You see most of those corporations are owned by bankers somewhere high up in the triangle.

And its those greedy bankers that are behind the Anthropogenic global warming religion, them and their mates the club of Rome, look it up some time cork head.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1450609083

Longy failed, did nothing but crash and burn. Like you will.

You are in lah lah land about Big not oil funding deniers. I guessed you missed these in another thread. I know you won't bother reading them, but happy reading anyway.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/climate-skeptic-group-works-to-reverse-renewable-energy-mandates/2012/11/24/124faaa0-3517-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/08/01/1217097533885.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/steve-coll-how-exxon-shaped-the-climate-debate/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/science/earth/09climate.html?em&_r=0
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/climate-sceptics-pai-heartland-institute
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/global-warming-skeptic.html#.VozItVJDQnE
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-24/hamilton-the-shadowy-world-of-ipa-finances/3849006

And you should read your links before posting them.

"None of the biggest American oil companies signed the declaration or were part of the group. The companies that were involved — including BP, Royal Dutch Shell, Saudi Aramco and Total — made no specific commitments toward helping to meet the climate challenge. "

You and your argument are fcuked up big time.

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Reply #53 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:53pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/climate-skeptic-group-works-to-reverse-renewable-energy-mandates/2012/11/24/124faaa0-3517-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/08/01/1217097533885.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/steve-coll-how-exxon-shaped-the-climate-debate/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/science/earth/09climate.html?em&_r=0
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/climate-sceptics-pai-heartland-institute
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/global-warming-skeptic.html#.VozItVJDQnE
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-24/hamilton-the-shadowy-world-of-ipa-finances/3849006

Get with the times cork head that bird flew the coop ages ago.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/rockefeller-family-to-sell-oil-investments...

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2015/10/16/group-of-big-oil-companies-pledge-support-on-...

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Reply #54 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:09pm

Ajax wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/climate-skeptic-group-works-to-reverse-renewable-energy-mandates/2012/11/24/124faaa0-3517-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/08/01/1217097533885.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/steve-coll-how-exxon-shaped-the-climate-debate/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/science/earth/09climate.html?em&_r=0
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/climate-sceptics-pai-heartland-institute
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/global-warming-skeptic.html#.VozItVJDQnE
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-24/hamilton-the-shadowy-world-of-ipa-finances/3849006

Get with the times cork head that bird flew the coop ages ago.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-23/rockefeller-family-to-sell-oil-investments...

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2015/10/16/group-of-big-oil-companies-pledge-support-on-...

Yes of course. And what are they going to do about it? Are they going to sell less black stuff?

And again, from your link ...

"The Oil and Gas Climate Initiative does not include any U.S.-based companies.

Exxon Mobil Corp. said in May it wasn’t going to “fake it” when it came to its views on climate change, arguing that technology can provide solutions to any impacts that result from increasing global temperatures."

They make money from selling more black stuff. Grin

Anyone who thinks they mean it is delusional. Looks like you are.

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Reply #55 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:24pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

The planets heads of government just met in Paris recently and they don't see any stalemate. Obama has described climate change as a threat to US National Security.

And what did they decide to do about this big, most important topic of our time?

They agreed to have another taxpayer funded gabfest in the future, to talk about doing something. That's what politicians do. They can't have a stalemate, the free trips, drinks and associated benefits would be gone.

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #56 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:39pm But my point remains valid. I didn't say they were acting, I said they were not questioning what is happening. Nice try.
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Reply #57 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:15pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:42am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

You are supporting the position that there is a debate on this, there isn't. There is no stalemate. The perception that there is exist only in forums like this now. That's because Big energy is still spending money on misinformation.

The planets heads of government just met in Paris recently and they don't see any stalemate. Obama has described climate change as a threat to US National Security.

Any perception that there is a question over what is happening is an indication of the effort being placed into infiltrating social media by the Big energy lobby.

Same graphs that Ajax posted appear in every forum of any size across the planet. No coincidence, the denial machine is strong.

forget your silly notions and point me to the actual environmental evidence of runaway global warming. no warming in 18 years. a 'massive' 0.6 degree rise over 100 years after coming out of the little ice age. no melting of the poles and no increase in extreme weather events. and the 'massive' sea level rises of just 4 inches?

forget the hyperbole and show me the FACTS.

Let's start with you proving some facts on the claims you have made. Right now I say you are full of it.

You made the claims ... back em up. Credible references would be appreciated.

it is in fact quite the reverse. 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' The climate Crazies claims of uncontrolled warming and catastrophe is an 'extraordinary claim'. how about some extraordinary evidence? I will be easy on you. Even basic ordinary evidence will be accepted.

as will your surrendr when you utterly fail to proved proof of any kind.

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Reply #58 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:16pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:48am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:27am:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Do you take stuff from Exxon seriously? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

The EXxon claims are BS and long since been proven rubbish. but it serves the purpose for you to repeat it since you are brainless.

and 'sceptical science' is responsible since the one thing it is NOT is sceptical? and run by a nobody from QLD uni?

Don think you are very good at this.

ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-climate-denying-lawmakers

"CMD recently provided the New York Attorney General with detailed information about ExxonMobil's funding of another climate change denial group, the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). Both CFACT and Heartland participate in ALEC, and have provided state legislators with climate denial briefings at recent ALEC conferences."

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/12/12997/market-has-spoken-funders-flee-free-market-climate-denial-group

and the hundreds of billions provided by gullible governments to fund climate hysteria?

and it still doesnt matter what you claim. All I am interested in is PROOF that climate change is in runaway mode.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #59 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:18pm random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 4:39pm: But my point remains valid. I didn't say they were acting, I said they were not questioning what is happening. Nice try. where's your proof?
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