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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #30 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

random wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

lee wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

CO₂ is over 400 ppm now and continuing to climb.

Mankind is doomed.

http://climate.nasa.gov/system/charts/15_14_co2_left.gif

http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/

Where is the graph of CO₂ v temperature? Say 1960 to 2010.

Try this

Aus BOM
State of the Climate 2014

http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/images/fig3.png

that graph shows an increase of just 0.6 degrees and no rise for 15 years. exactly where is the reason for panic given that it is still cooler than 1000 years ago when greenland was... GREEN and vikings sailed north of the island.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #31 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:17pm The Sun will determine the future of the Earth, not the CO2 levels.
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Sun Tzu Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1148 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #32 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:28pm red baron wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:17pm: The Sun will determine the future of the Earth, not the CO2 levels. Fire all scientists. Red Baron has issued a FATWA.
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #33 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:31pm red baron wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:17pm: The Sun will determine the future of the Earth, not the CO2 levels. not the IPCC either.
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #34 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:28pm red baron wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:17pm: The Sun will determine the future of the Earth, not the CO2 levels. SO it's all good then? We can burn all the black stuff we want and nothing will happen? You should have been in Paris a few weeks ago.
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Reply #35 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:31pm

Ajax wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

http://i64.tinypic.com/dopizl.jpg

Murrry smacking Salby?

"A CLIMATE sceptic professor fired from his Australian university for alleged policy breaches had previously been banned for three years from accessing US taxpayer-funded science research money.

Dr Murry Salby, sacked in May by Macquarie University in Sydney, was the subject of a long investigation by the US National Science Foundation."

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #36 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

random wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

You are being obtuse.

See post #22 for the CO2 and my post above for the temperature. Both are going up, can you understand that?

Then there is the total heat increase.

http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/images/fig10.png

Are back to zetajoules. Why not just use ºC. The Argo buoys show that as 0.023ºC/decade. Doesn't sound nearly as scary, does it?

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #37 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

random wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

Ajax wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

http://i64.tinypic.com/dopizl.jpg

Murrry smacking Salby?

"A CLIMATE sceptic professor fired from his Australian university for alleged policy breaches had previously been banned for three years from accessing US taxpayer-funded science research money.

Dr Murry Salby, sacked in May by Macquarie University in Sydney, was the subject of a long investigation by the US National Science Foundation."

Maybe he didn't want to pledge allegiance to the false science that is Anthropogenic global warming.

http://watchdog.org/239743/criminalizing-climate-science/

He makes a strong case that the Earth is heating up naturally and that man's contribution through CO2 emissions is minimal.

You want to be taxed on something that has been proven false............?????

Where is the correlation between CO2 and temperature..??

Co2 has never controlled the temperature here on Earth, in fact its the other way around when the Earth heats up more CO2 gets released into the atmosphere.

WAKE UP for goodness sake.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #38 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

Is there any correlation between CO2 and temperature?

(1).....On a small time scale
(NO)
, (11,000 years)

Showing from 200 to 11000 years ago, the subsequent graph is based on ice core data, readily visible in files hosted on the servers of the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA):GISP 2 and EPICA Dome C

Graph-1

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

(2).....On a medium time scale YES???, (450,000 years)

(NO)
, It appears so because of the scale we are zoomed out at.

WARNING !
This is the scale that most global warming sites use to scare the unsuspecting.

Over the past few hundred thousand years of ice core data, a “medium” time scale in this sense, CO2 superficially appears to change in step with temperature if a graph is so zoomed out as to not show sub-millennial time
scales well

Graph-2

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/11/does-co2-correlate-with-temperature-histor...

A record of temperature and atmospheric CO2 over the past 400,000 years is preserved in the Vostok Ice Core and is shown in the figure on the right.

It can be seen that there have been a series of large fluctuations in temperature (the Ice Ages), accompanied by large changes in atmospheric CO2.

It is thought that these large temperature fluctuations are triggered by Milankovitch cycles - variations in the earth's orbit that change the amount of energy from the sun that reaches us.

However, on their own, these cycles are not enough to explain the changes in temperature.

The full explanation seems to be that the small change in temperature caused by the changing orbit are amplified by natural processes on earth. These cause CO2 to be released from the oceans and the biosphere, causing an increased greenhouse effect.

This is described more fully in this article from the New Scientist (see also Shackleton 2000). For more details on the timing of changes in CO2 and temperature, click on the figure.

http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/paleoclimate.htm#100,000years

(3).....On a long time scale
(NO)
, (millions of years)

Graph-3

[url]http://s155.n46.n171.n68.static.myhostcenter.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf[/urll]

What about the NOW....!!!

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #39 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:49am

So we have more fabricated bullshite from Wattsfcukedupwiththat? The Exxon funded shill?

Now let me think about this carefully, for a bit.

Who do I believe? An anonymous poster on the interweb posting Exxon funded pretty graphs.
OR
NOAA, NASA, BOM and the IPCC?

tic tic tic tic ... ding!

I'll go with the scientists Wink

Edit: The 'lying bastard' part of the Anthony Watts stuff is the deliberately ignoring the total energy increase and using only the land based anomalies. Ignoring 90% of the total in the oceans. Typical shill stuff, we come to expect that now.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #40 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am Oh sigh.....more ping pong. How predictable and boring. EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this. IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE. Over it
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Reply #41 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Do you take stuff from Exxon seriously? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #42 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:13am

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:05am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:58am:

Oh sigh.....more ping pong.

How predictable and boring.

EVERY topic on climate change ends up like this.

IT'S CALLED A STALEMATE.

Over it Angry

What stalemate? Some post unsubstantiated bullshite from Exxon funded think tanks and others go with science.

Where is the stalemate? I didn't see any of these chats in Paris last.

But if you are confused, that indicates you have trouble differentiating quality information from sales propaganda. That happens.

There's never been a middle ground in ANY of these discussions.

THAT'S (AT THE CORE OF) "THE STALEMATE".

A constant tug of war achieves nothing.

It only wastes time.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #43 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:22am

You are supporting the position that there is a debate on this, there isn't. There is no stalemate. The perception that there is exist only in forums like this now. That's because Big energy is still spending money on misinformation.

The planets heads of government just met in Paris recently and they don't see any stalemate. Obama has described climate change as a threat to US National Security.

Any perception that there is a question over what is happening is an indication of the effort being placed into infiltrating social media by the Big energy lobby.

Same graphs that Ajax posted appear in every forum of any size across the planet. No coincidence, the denial machine is strong.

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Reply #44 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:33am

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 6:22am:

You are supporting the position that there is a debate on this, there isn't. There is no stalemate. The perception that there is exist only in forums like this now. That's because Big energy is still spending money on misinformation.

The planets heads of government just met in Paris recently and they don't see any stalemate. Obama has described climate change as a threat to US National Security.

Any perception that there is a question over what is happening is an indication of the effort being placed into infiltrating social media by the Big energy lobby.

Same graphs that Ajax posted appear in every forum of any size across the planet. No coincidence.

1. Sorry, I need to get going. I'm off to work today (we're very short staffed in our office).

2. Re what Obama stated.... that could mean ANYTHING. Tip: Whenever ANY POLITICIAN reads a carefully worded statement ...read btwn the lines.

3. I personally believe we have a case to answer.

4. I won't be home til 8pm tonight. Chat then?

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