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Reply #165 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:29pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 5:26pm:
Hey random thanks for confirming my thoughts about you being a cork head.

Even when we have shown you that those models the alarmists are producing are dead wrong you still defend them.

I hope the next government sticks a hefty energy tax up your arse all based on this lie we have come to know as Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Anyone with half a brain can work out that Gore and his buddies just want to get rich selling carbon derivatives (fresh air) to nations.

Have you joined any other cults lately......... Roll Eyes



It's really hard to believe, but there are people who believe that pumping Gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere does nothing. 

"In the period 1751 to 1900, about 12 gigatonnes of carbon were released as carbon dioxide to the atmosphere from burning of fossil fuels, whereas from 1901 to 2008 the figure was about 334 gigatonnes."

Weird hey.
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Reply #166 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:34pm
 
random wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:29pm:
It's really hard to believe, but there are people who believe that pumping Gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere does nothing.

"In the period 1751 to 1900, about 12 gigatonnes of carbon were released as carbon dioxide to the atmosphere from burning of fossil fuels, whereas from 1901 to 2008 the figure was about 334 gigatonnes."

Weird hey.



Yeah, CO2 is increasing markedly, Temperatures not so much.
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Reply #167 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:36pm
 
CO2 has never controlled temperature here on Earth.

Even when we had 7000ppm in the atmosphere there was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Today we are pumping out more CO2 than ever before but the temperature has stabilised and there has been no substantial warming for the last 18 years or so.

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IPCC's 'Gold Standard' Temperature Dataset Authenticates Global Cooling Over Last 15 Years

The UK's HadCRUT3 global temperature dataset has been the IPCC's gold-standard for its political-agenda "science" reports - unfortunately for the IPCC, the HadCRUT dataset also confirms the disappearance of global warming, replaced by a very slight cooling trend

(click on chart to enlarge - data sources)

HadCRUT IPCC global cooling 15 years CO2It is estimated some 440 gigtons of human CO2 emissions have been produced over the last 15 years, in contrast to the estimated 330+ tons during the previous 15-year period ending 1997.

Further, it was estimated by the consensus "experts" that a large increase in human emissions over the last 15 years would bring the world hellish warming. It has not happened.

The climate scientists and their associated climate agencies were immensely wrong, as the adjacent chart indicates.

As can be seen, over the first 15-period, prior to 1998, there was a strong warming trend (+1.4 degrees per century). As a result, the experts said human CO2 was the cause. They then emphatically predicted that this warming trend would continue and even accelerate. But it didn't - instead it decelerated.

As the chart depicts, the last 15 years ending 2012 has seen a very slight decline in temperatures, wiping out the strong positive warming trend completely. This small cooling trend in surface temperatures is also supported by the satellite observations of the atmosphere. The global warming was wiped out even though total human CO2 emmisions were a third larger - 110 billion tons more than prior 15-year span.

This empirical evidence has become so convincing that the cooling deniers are even starting to eat that awful tasting, proverbial crow (here and here).

In the meantime, they debate amongst themselves about how befuddled they are concerning the lack of warming, obviously confirming what skeptics knew all the time - their bizarre anti-CO2 phobia and rigid consensus constraints have long blinded them to scientific truth.


read more here

http://www.c3headlines.com/are-global-temperatures-increasing/page/3/


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Reply #168 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:19pm
 
Got a link to who made up that graph Ajax?

You have used it before ... I'm calling bullshite.
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Reply #169 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:13pm
 
random wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:19pm:
I'm calling bullshite.



On your speed dial is he?
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Reply #170 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:42pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:13pm:
random wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 7:19pm:
I'm calling bullshite.



On your speed dial is he?


The height of delusion, thinking that creating a graph showing leveling off of climate change, will make that happen.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #171 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:49pm
 
Ajax wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
CO2 has never controlled temperature here on Earth.

Even when we had 7000ppm in the atmosphere there was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Today we are pumping out more CO2 than ever before but the temperature has stabilised and there has been no substantial warming for the last 18 years or so.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16k9n5z.png



Good graph.

And the temperatures are already going down.

The new Ice Age is upon us.
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Reply #172 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
Ajax wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
CO2 has never controlled temperature here on Earth.

Even when we had 7000ppm in the atmosphere there was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Today we are pumping out more CO2 than ever before but the temperature has stabilised and there has been no substantial warming for the last 18 years or so.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16k9n5z.png



Good graph.

And the temperatures are already going down.

The new Ice Age is upon us.


Sir fcukin Bobby.  From the limited time I have been here I have seen you shamed and discredited more than once, but that does not matter to you.

You continually look like an ill-informed fool, a Forest Gump who just dumbly keeps posting shite.  An ice age in a planet with proven warming.

The interweb is full of Bobby's, a real down-side to technology.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #173 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:57pm
 
Hey random you don't trust satellite data..??


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The global HadCRUT4 dataset, updated through July 31, 2013, reveals little warming over 15 years despite the huge influx of human CO2 emissions and the subsequent large growth in atmospheric CO2 levels

The chart on left plots the monthly HadCRUT anomalies and monthly atmospheric levels over the last 15 years (180 months). 

As indicated on the chart, the linear trend for temperatures means a tiny increase in global temperatures of a trivial +0.58 degrees by 2100AD, if this trend were to continue (it won't).

In addition, as the R2 on the chart reveals, there has been a very weak relationship between CO2 levels and temperature anomalies - suggesting an extremely small, to an almost non-existent, climate sensitivity to CO2.

The chart on the right, in contrast, examines global temperature change and its relationship to CO2 in a different manner.

In the case of temperature, the right chart plots the the 15-year difference in monthly anomalies. So, for example, one of the plot points is the difference (increase/decrease) between the month of January 1850 and January 1865 - this 15-year difference calculation is done for each month, all the way through July 2013.

The dark blue curve represents the 36-month moving average of the 15-year differences of the temperature anomalies.

The same 15-year difference is also plotted for monthly atmospheric CO2 levels, represented by the black curve - actually, a 36-month moving average of the CO2 differences. (To simplify the chart, used an Excel option to just show the 36-mth average.)

Visually, it is very clear that the 15-year differences (changes) in temperature anomalies have little, if any, relationship to the 15-year changes in CO2 levels. In fact, the R2 between temperature changes and CO2 changes is absurdly low - again, suggesting a climate sensitivity to CO2 as being rather low.

Conclusions:

1. Currently, global warming on a monthly basis is immeasurable and will amount to very little by year 2100, if this trend continues.

2. The empricial evidence is unequivocal and irrefutable, global warming is not accelerating.


3. The increasing absolute amounts of CO2 have had a small influence, at best, on temperatures during the last 15 years.

4. Longer-term changes in CO2 levels appear not to have even a minor impact on long-term temperature changes - maybe a trivial impact, though.

Note: Linear trends are not predictions. Original data used with Excel to produce the plots, trends, correlations and averages. Previous temperature/climate charts.

Read more here

http://www.c3headlines.com/are-global-temperatures-increasing/page/3/


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Reply #174 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 9:05pm
 
Quote:
IPCC's 'Gold Standard' Temperature Dataset Authenticates Global Cooling Over Last 15 Years

The UK's HadCRUT3 global temperature dataset has been the IPCC's gold-standard for its political-agenda "science" reports - unfortunately for the IPCC, the HadCRUT dataset also confirms the disappearance of global warming, replaced by a very slight cooling trend

(click on chart to enlarge - data sources)

HadCRUT IPCC global cooling 15 years CO2It is estimated some 440 gigtons of human CO2 emissions have been produced over the last 15 years, in contrast to the estimated 330+ tons during the previous 15-year period ending 1997.

Further, it was estimated by the consensus "experts" that a large increase in human emissions over the last 15 years would bring the world hellish warming. It has not happened.

The climate scientists and their associated climate agencies were immensely wrong, as the adjacent chart indicates.

As can be seen, over the first 15-period, prior to 1998, there was a strong warming trend (+1.4 degrees per century). As a result, the experts said human CO2 was the cause. They then emphatically predicted that this warming trend would continue and even accelerate. But it didn't - instead it decelerated.

As the chart depicts, the last 15 years ending 2012 has seen a very slight decline in temperatures, wiping out the strong positive warming trend completely. This small cooling trend in surface temperatures is also supported by the satellite observations of the atmosphere. The global warming was wiped out even though total human CO2 emmisions were a third larger - 110 billion tons more than prior 15-year span.

This empirical evidence has become so convincing that the cooling deniers are even starting to eat that awful tasting, proverbial crow (here and here).

In the meantime, they debate amongst themselves about how befuddled they are concerning the lack of warming, obviously confirming what skeptics knew all the time - their bizarre anti-CO2 phobia and rigid consensus constraints have long blinded them to scientific truth.


read more here

http://www.c3headlines.com/are-global-temperatures-increasing/page/3/


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Reply #175 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 9:16pm
 
random wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 8:49pm:
Ajax wrote on Jan 11th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
CO2 has never controlled temperature here on Earth.

Even when we had 7000ppm in the atmosphere there was no runaway greenhouse effect.

Today we are pumping out more CO2 than ever before but the temperature has stabilised and there has been no substantial warming for the last 18 years or so.

http://i65.tinypic.com/16k9n5z.png



Good graph.

And the temperatures are already going down.

The new Ice Age is upon us.


Sir fcukin Bobby.  From the limited time I have been here I have seen you shamed and discredited more than once, but that does not matter to you.

You continually look like an ill-informed fool, a Forest Gump who just dumbly keeps posting shite.  An ice age in a planet with proven warming.

The interweb is full of Bobby's, a real down-side to technology.




Argumentum ad Hominem.

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Reply #176 - Jan 11th, 2016 at 9:26pm
 
Yes Bobby he (random) is a very rude prick indeed.

hey random this is where the IPCC fooled themselves and are still trying to fool us all today instead of admitting their wrong.

They thought that trend would continue for ever, see red cloud on graph.

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Reply #177 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:53am
 
Reference the graphs.  Satellite data if fine.  It's the dishonest stuff others do with it that is the problem.

You are avoiding naming the bullshite source.  Till then it all crap.
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Reply #178 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 8:10am
 
random wrote on Jan 12th, 2016 at 6:53am:
Reference the graphs.  Satellite data if fine.  It's the dishonest stuff others do with it that is the problem.

You are avoiding naming the bullshite source.  Till then it all crap.


That's priceless. Pot meet kettle.
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Reply #179 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 8:21am
 
Question:

Is the damage being done by CO2 on its own - or by CO2 combining with other gasses?

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