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Reply #150 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:23pm

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

lee wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

You missed the point. If you start trashing the most credible source of information, you then have to consider where you go to for your source of truth.

When you can't verify the work of BoM, it is not credible.

Oh really. So you should be able to point us at something that is credible and we can verify.

Waiting ....

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab187/rocker_4u/Unnamedsdfsfsdfsd.gif

Sorry, I didn't realise I was operating on your time frame.

You are the one who brought up "the most credible source of information". So if BoM is so credible, why can't the homogenisation of temperatures be replicated? The answer is that you cannot replicate a human thought.. So the homogenisation record of BoM can't be replicated, that is the ACORN-SAT "data", on which Australia's warming relies.

Can't be verified (no records of how adjustments were derived), can't be replicated (as indicated above), can't be science.

If you can't see that, then you suffer from cognitive dissonance; and can't be helped.

You are still dodging citing a more credible source of information. Maybe that's because you don't have one.

You are the one claiming BoM is a credible source.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #151 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:35pm

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

So you think Gina would be green? You really have no fcukin idea do you.

"But when it comes to arguably the planet’s most pressing problem – human-caused climate change – the Australian mining magnate Gina Rinehart dismisses out of hand not only the issue, but the expertise of the world’s climate science community.

Now, Rinehart, the head and owner of Hancock Prospecting, has revealed that she wants to use her substantial stakes in two leading Australian media companies to be able to promote the (her) views of climate science"

Exxon set up all sorts of complex entities to cover what they pay to who. The $50k is a token effort for audit cover.

I have never said Gina has Green credentials. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Hell, she dismmisses the "consensus"? Wow, she is the only person to do so?

Substantial stakes in two large public companies? Is she on the Board? How will she control the publications?

Merely making statements does not make it factual.

I see that Redfearn made those statements in 2012, fast forward to 2015 -

'Gina Rinehart sells out of Fairfax Media'

http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/gina-rinehart-sells-out-of-fa...

Dated Feb 6 2015.

So laughable.

Exxon - The Exxon $50k was for audit cover - got a link to that?

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #152 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

lee wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

You missed the point. If you start trashing the most credible source of information, you then have to consider where you go to for your source of truth.

When you can't verify the work of BoM, it is not credible.

Oh really. So you should be able to point us at something that is credible and we can verify.

Waiting ....

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab187/rocker_4u/Unnamedsdfsfsdfsd.gif

Sorry, I didn't realise I was operating on your time frame.

You are the one who brought up "the most credible source of information". So if BoM is so credible, why can't the homogenisation of temperatures be replicated? The answer is that you cannot replicate a human thought.. So the homogenisation record of BoM can't be replicated, that is the ACORN-SAT "data", on which Australia's warming relies.

Can't be verified (no records of how adjustments were derived), can't be replicated (as indicated above), can't be science.

If you can't see that, then you suffer from cognitive dissonance; and can't be helped.

You are still dodging citing a more credible source of information. Maybe that's because you don't have one.

You are the one claiming BoM is a credible source.

BoM is a credible source. You are the one saying they are not.

By inference, that means you have more credible sources. Please give us the benefit of them.

Linky and stop dodging.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19946 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #153 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:45pm random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:41pm: BoM is a credible source. Can't verify their own processes, can't replicate their own ACORN-SAT, Too funny for words. Nope, don't have any sources that would be deemed credible by you.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #154 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

So what did the Townsville guy do exactly? Whatever it was, how does that relate to Climate Change?

Given that the article states that

His key research focuses have been the Great Barrier Reef, coastal mangroves, coastal ecosystems and the impact of climate change.

it would suggest he is one of the lauded scientists.

More to the point he is another that got caught faking it.

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Reply #155 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 3:47pm

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Kevin Trenberth has written several textbooks on Climatology.

But he is a meteorologist. Not a Climate Scientist. So a meteorologist can be a climate scientist.

Trenberth and Fasullo- the heat is hiding in the ocean.

He is a meteorologist and an atmospheric scientist. Along with others, he practically defined Climatology, having published about 500 papers on the subject. His original degree in 1972 was in Meteorology, but his expertise is in Atmospheric Physics, which is an essential part of modern Climatology as well as meteorology. So yes, a PhD in meteorology can conduct research in climate science. Even today, there is some crossover. Climate Science is multidisciplinary.

In 1972, there was no such subject as Climatology, just as in Max Planck's day, you could not get a degree in Quantum Physics.

Assuming you are using your usual source, Mr Watts is being disingenuous, just as you are. Your mate is no PhD in meteorology. He just used to read the weather forecast on the radio.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19946 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #156 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 3:58pm No John, just pointing out random's logical thinking flaws. That was the conversation you came in on.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #157 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:13pm

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

BoM is a credible source.

Can't verify their own processes, can't replicate their own ACORN-SAT,

Too funny for words.

Nope, don't have any sources that would be deemed credible by you.

That's precisely what I thought. You got nothing but shill bullshite. Shaft the science and replace it with ...

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #158 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:14pm

mitasol wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:12am:

So what did the Townsville guy do exactly? Whatever it was, how does that relate to Climate Change?

Given that the article states that

His key research focuses have been the Great Barrier Reef, coastal mangroves, coastal ecosystems and the impact of climate change.

it would suggest he is one of the lauded scientists.

More to the point he is another that got caught faking it.

Did he raid the xmas fund maybe?

Got details?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19946 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #159 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:18pm random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:13pm: Shaft the science and replace it with ... ... Yep, that's what appears to have happened at BoM.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #160 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:18pm

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:35pm:

So you think Gina would be green? You really have no fcukin idea do you.

"But when it comes to arguably the planet’s most pressing problem – human-caused climate change – the Australian mining magnate Gina Rinehart dismisses out of hand not only the issue, but the expertise of the world’s climate science community.

Now, Rinehart, the head and owner of Hancock Prospecting, has revealed that she wants to use her substantial stakes in two leading Australian media companies to be able to promote the (her) views of climate science"

Exxon set up all sorts of complex entities to cover what they pay to who. The $50k is a token effort for audit cover.

I have never said Gina has Green credentials. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

Hell, she dismmisses the "consensus"? Wow, she is the only person to do so?

Substantial stakes in two large public companies? Is she on the Board? How will she control the publications?

Merely making statements does not make it factual.

I see that Redfearn made those statements in 2012, fast forward to 2015 -

'Gina Rinehart sells out of Fairfax Media'

http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/gina-rinehart-sells-out-of-fa...

Dated Feb 6 2015.

So laughable.

Exxon - The Exxon $50k was for audit cover - got a link to that?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19946 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #161 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:20pm Whenever you run out of argument; you run up a pretty picture.
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #162 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:21pm lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:18pm: random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:13pm: Shaft the science and replace it with ... ... Yep, that's what appears to have happened at BoM. I have to think about this ... BoM or Lee? BoM or Lee? Ahhh. I'll go with BoM. But thanks for playing.
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #163 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:26pm

Hey random thanks for confirming my thoughts about you being a cork head.

Even when we have shown you that those models the alarmists are producing are dead wrong you still defend them.

I hope the next government sticks a hefty energy tax up your arse all based on this lie we have come to know as Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Anyone with half a brain can work out that Gore and his buddies just want to get rich selling carbon derivatives (fresh air) to nations.

Have you joined any other cults lately......... Roll Eyes

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19946 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #164 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:28pm random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 4:21pm: But thanks for playing. The only one playing is your five knuckle shuffle.
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