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Reply #135 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:06am

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

lee wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

You missed the point. If you start trashing the most credible source of information, you then have to consider where you go to for your source of truth.

When you can't verify the work of BoM, it is not credible.

Oh really. So you should be able to point us at something that is credible and we can verify.

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Reply #136 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:23am

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

Joanne Nova is a self-proclaimed climate change skeptic who declares that science has disproved the theory of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). Nova's most notable work in the area of climate change is the controversial document, “The Skeptic's Handbook.”

Although Joanne Nova has not published any research in peer-reviewed journals, she is often presented as an expert in the area of climate science. For example, Fred Singer's Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) describes Joanne Nova as holding a PhD in meteorology.

After graduation, Nova joined the Shell Questacon Science Circus, a Shell-sponsored program that employs university students to travel around Australia teaching interactive science programs to children.

December, 2014

Joanne Nova is a contributor to the book Climate Change: The Facts published by the Institute of Public Affairs and featuring “22 essays on the science, politics and economics of the climate change debate.” The Institute of Public Affairs, while not revealing most of its funders, is known to have received funding from mining magnate Gina Rinehart and at least one major tobacco company. [9]

Nova was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change where she is listed as one of several specialists on the issue of global warming. [5]

Heartland is an Exxon funded organisation. Nova is a Big Energy shill for hire. An Oil and Coal climate change denial prostitute.

So she is not directly funded by big energy. You are merely claiming "guilt" by association. Interesting, given the other link that I posted.

As opposed to the AIMS Climate Scientist currently facing fraud charges in Townsville http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/climate-scientist-accused-of-employer-...

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #137 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:12am

JoNova is a paid shill, nothing credible comes outta there. If you can help by showing where her pay and travel expenses come from please send details.

She should have a real hard look at herself, Karma is a bitch.

So what did the Townsville guy do exactly? Whatever it was, how does that relate to Climate Change?

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #138 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:10am

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

lee wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

You missed the point. If you start trashing the most credible source of information, you then have to consider where you go to for your source of truth.

When you can't verify the work of BoM, it is not credible.

Oh really. So you should be able to point us at something that is credible and we can verify.

Waiting ....

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab187/rocker_4u/Unnamedsdfsfsdfsd.gif

Sorry, I didn't realise I was operating on your time frame.

You are the one who brought up "the most credible source of information". So if BoM is so credible, why can't the homogenisation of temperatures be replicated? The answer is that you cannot replicate a human thought.. So the homogenisation record of BoM can't be replicated, that is the ACORN-SAT "data", on which Australia's warming relies.

Can't be verified (no records of how adjustments were derived), can't be replicated (as indicated above), can't be science.

If you can't see that, then you suffer from cognitive dissonance; and can't be helped.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19952 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #139 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:11am random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 9:12am: JoNova is a paid shill, nothing credible comes outta there. If you can help by showing where her pay and travel expenses come from please send details. You are the one making the claim. Show us where and what she was paid and paid for.
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Reply #140 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:18am

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

Although Joanne Nova has not published any research in peer-reviewed journals, she is often presented as an expert in the area of climate science. For example, Fred Singer's Science & Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) describes Joanne Nova as holding a PhD in meteorology.

Let's see a short list of climate scientists-

Kevin Trenberth - Meteorologist
Michael E Mann - Geology and Geophysics

Nope neither are Climate Scientists.

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Reply #141 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:28am

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

Joanne Nova is a contributor to the book Climate Change: The Facts published by the Institute of Public Affairs and featuring “22 essays on the science, politics and economics of the climate change debate.” The Institute of Public Affairs, while not revealing most of its funders, is known to have received funding from mining magnate Gina Rinehart and at least one major tobacco company. [9]

Nova was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change where she is listed as one of several specialists on the issue of global warming. [5]

Heartland is an Exxon funded organisation. Nova is a Big Energy shill for hire. An Oil and Coal climate change denial prostitute.

So Gina Rinehart is a climate denier? First time I have seen her name on the list. Source please.

Yes you showed us previously how Heartland was paid less than $50,000, if I recall correctly. But perhaps you can update. What would $50k purchase? A computer system perhaps? Seeing as you worked in IT, perhaps you can tell us how big a system it would buy?

And Exxon bought Heartland's undying love for that amount? Cheesy

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Reply #142 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:05am

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

Joanne Nova is a contributor to the book Climate Change: The Facts published by the Institute of Public Affairs and featuring “22 essays on the science, politics and economics of the climate change debate.” The Institute of Public Affairs, while not revealing most of its funders, is known to have received funding from mining magnate Gina Rinehart and at least one major tobacco company. [9]

Nova was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change where she is listed as one of several specialists on the issue of global warming. [5]

Heartland is an Exxon funded organisation. Nova is a Big Energy shill for hire. An Oil and Coal climate change denial prostitute.

So Gina Rinehart is a climate denier? First time I have seen her name on the list. Source please.

Yes you showed us previously how Heartland was paid less than $50,000, if I recall correctly. But perhaps you can update. What would $50k purchase? A computer system perhaps? Seeing as you worked in IT, perhaps you can tell us how big a system it would buy?

And Exxon bought Heartland's undying love for that amount? Cheesy

Some Ozpolitic extremist right wing denizens have sold their souls and obeisance for a pat on the head.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19952 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #143 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:16am Sun Tzu wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:05am: ome Ozpolitic extremist right wing denizens have sold their souls and obeisance for a pat on the head. Thank you for that well thought-out and meaningful reponse/
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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #144 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:22am

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:18am:

Let's see a short list of climate scientists-

Kevin Trenberth - Meteorologist
Michael E Mann - Geology and Geophysics

Nope neither are Climate Scientists.

Try not to be a fool. Just try. Kevin Trenberth has written several textbooks on Climatology.

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Kevin Trenberth is a Distinguished Senior Scientist in the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). He has been prominent in all aspects of climate variability and climate change research. His current research focuses on the global energy and water cycles and how they are changing.

He has published over 470 scientific articles or papers including 47 books or book chapters and over 200 refereed journal articles. He was a Coordinating Lead Author for the 1995 and 2007 scientific assessment reports and a Lead Author of the 2001 scientific assessment report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). The IPCC was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007

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Reply #145 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:33am

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

So Gina Rinehart is a climate denier? First time I have seen her name on the list. Source please.

Yes, and the pope is Catholic too.
http://www.readfearn.com/2012/06/what-the-worlds-richest-woman-gina-rinehart-thi...
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SHE is the richest woman on the planet with a personal fortune approaching $30 billion thanks to her coal and iron ore businesses.

But when it comes to arguably the planet’s most pressing problem – human-caused climate change – the Australian mining magnate Gina Rinehart dismisses out of hand not only the issue, but the expertise of the world’s climate science community.

Now, Rinehart, the head and owner of Hancock Prospecting, has revealed that she wants to use her substantial stakes in two leading Australian media companies to be able to promote the views of climate science deniers.

From Gina Rinehart herself:
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I am yet to hear scientific evidence to satisfy me that if the very, very small amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (approximately 0.38%) was increased, it could lead to significant global warming.

I have never met a geologist or leading scientist who believes adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere will have any significant effect on climate change, especially not from a relatively small country like Australia

http://www.australianmining.com.au/news/gina-rinehart-urges-australians-to-fight...

You need to get out more.

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Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated
Reply #146 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:29pm

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:33am:

lee wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

You missed the point. If you start trashing the most credible source of information, you then have to consider where you go to for your source of truth.

When you can't verify the work of BoM, it is not credible.

Oh really. So you should be able to point us at something that is credible and we can verify.

Waiting ....

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab187/rocker_4u/Unnamedsdfsfsdfsd.gif

Sorry, I didn't realise I was operating on your time frame.

You are the one who brought up "the most credible source of information". So if BoM is so credible, why can't the homogenisation of temperatures be replicated? The answer is that you cannot replicate a human thought.. So the homogenisation record of BoM can't be replicated, that is the ACORN-SAT "data", on which Australia's warming relies.

Can't be verified (no records of how adjustments were derived), can't be replicated (as indicated above), can't be science.

If you can't see that, then you suffer from cognitive dissonance; and can't be helped.

You are still dodging citing a more credible source of information. Maybe that's because you don't have one.

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Reply #147 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 12:35pm

lee wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 10:28am:

random wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:56am:

Joanne Nova is a contributor to the book Climate Change: The Facts published by the Institute of Public Affairs and featuring “22 essays on the science, politics and economics of the climate change debate.” The Institute of Public Affairs, while not revealing most of its funders, is known to have received funding from mining magnate Gina Rinehart and at least one major tobacco company. [9]

Nova was a speaker at the Heartland Institute's 2009 International Conference on Climate Change where she is listed as one of several specialists on the issue of global warming. [5]

Heartland is an Exxon funded organisation. Nova is a Big Energy shill for hire. An Oil and Coal climate change denial prostitute.

So Gina Rinehart is a climate denier? First time I have seen her name on the list. Source please.

Yes you showed us previously how Heartland was paid less than $50,000, if I recall correctly. But perhaps you can update. What would $50k purchase? A computer system perhaps? Seeing as you worked in IT, perhaps you can tell us how big a system it would buy?

And Exxon bought Heartland's undying love for that amount? Cheesy

So you think Gina would be green? You really have no fcukin idea do you.

"But when it comes to arguably the planet’s most pressing problem – human-caused climate change – the Australian mining magnate Gina Rinehart dismisses out of hand not only the issue, but the expertise of the world’s climate science community.

Now, Rinehart, the head and owner of Hancock Prospecting, has revealed that she wants to use her substantial stakes in two leading Australian media companies to be able to promote the (her) views of climate science"

Exxon set up all sorts of complex entities to cover what they pay to who. The $50k is a token effort for audit cover.

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Reply #148 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:17pm

John_Taverner wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Yes, and the pope is Catholic too.
http://www.readfearn.com/2012/06/what-the-worlds-richest-woman-gina-rinehart-thi...
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SHE is the richest woman on the planet with a personal fortune approaching $30 billion thanks to her coal and iron ore businesses.

But when it comes to arguably the planet’s most pressing problem – human-caused climate change – the Australian mining magnate Gina Rinehart dismisses out of hand not only the issue, but the expertise of the world’s climate science community.

Now, Rinehart, the head and owner of Hancock Prospecting, has revealed that she wants to use her substantial stakes in two leading Australian media companies to be able to promote the views of climate science deniers.

From Gina Rinehart herself:
Quote:
I am yet to hear scientific evidence to satisfy me that if the very, very small amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (approximately 0.38%) was increased, it could lead to significant global warming.

I have never met a geologist or leading scientist who believes adding more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere will have any significant effect on climate change, especially not from a relatively small country like Australia

http://www.australianmining.com.au/news/gina-rinehart-urges-australians-to-fight...

You need to get out more.

Lets see Gina is a sceptic, therefore she should be ashamed of herself?

Redfearn? Ya kidding me. He's a kook.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19952 Gender:	Re: Earth's climate sensitivity to CO2 underestimated Reply #149 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 2:21pm John_Taverner wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 11:22am: Kevin Trenberth has written several textbooks on Climatology. But he is a meteorologist. Not a Climate Scientist. So a meteorologist can be a climate scientist. Trenberth and Fasullo- the heat is hiding in the ocean.
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