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Reply #15 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

why does it always come down to depression....??

really... its not as if depression is something NEW...it isnt..what was wrong with his life to be depressed about?????..he sounds as if he was very successful in what he chose to do....why take the lives of two beautiful children... that you have no right to take.

how can anyone say depression made him want to kill his own children???

it sounds more like he hated them....or his wife who now has to find a way to go forward after the unspeakable.....he left a long suicide note......he had time to seek help or answers......but chose not too..

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...........the 34-year-old had suffered with mental health issues for the past three years.............

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Murder Suicide Dad An Everyday Bloke Reply #16 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:08am Some of us initially thought that a marriage breakdown issue was at the heart of this matter. Seems we were wrong.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89852 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Murder Suicide Dad An Everyday Bloke Reply #17 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:35am Agreed - probably business troubles - not enough of a reason.... sad all over. I can unders tand how small business in SA etc might be suffering... everything is turning down..
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Reply #19 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:44am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

why does it always come down to depression....??

really... its not as if depression is something NEW...it isnt..what was wrong with his life to be depressed about?????..he sounds as if he was very successful in what he chose to do....why take the lives of two beautiful children... that you have no right to take.

how can anyone say depression made him want to kill his own children???

it sounds more like he hated them....or his wife who now has to find a way to go forward after the unspeakable.....he left a long suicide note......he had time to seek help or answers......but chose not too..

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...........the 34-year-old had suffered with mental health issues for the past three years.............

drat.

IN THAT CASE HE WASNT THE NICE SMILING UNASSUMING MAN EVERYONE SAYS HE WAS?????.....

and mental issues....

says more than DEPRESSION>..

would you allow someone suffering MENTAL ISSUES to be in charge of children???>..

I dont know???...

I am saying this is MURDER he took two lives with him....it was planned...if he had issues for 3 years he must have been seeing someone......what does that say?????.......

no one saw a hint of this coming????.....ok lets call it depression... Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:48am

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

why does it always come down to depression....??

really... its not as if depression is something NEW...it isnt..what was wrong with his life to be depressed about?????..he sounds as if he was very successful in what he chose to do....why take the lives of two beautiful children... that you have no right to take.

how can anyone say depression made him want to kill his own children???

it sounds more like he hated them....or his wife who now has to find a way to go forward after the unspeakable.....he left a long suicide note......he had time to seek help or answers......but chose not too..

Quote:

...........the 34-year-old had suffered with mental health issues for the past three years.............

drat.

IN THAT CASE HE WASNT THE NICE SMILING UNASSUMING MAN EVERYONE SAYS HE WAS?????.....

and mental issues....

says more than DEPRESSION>..

would you allow someone suffering MENTAL ISSUES to be in charge of children???>..

I dont know???...

I am saying this is MURDER he took two lives with him....it was planned...if he had issues for 3 years he must have been seeing someone......what does that say?????.......

no one saw a hint of this coming????.....ok lets call it depression... Roll Eyes

Depression is a mental disorder/illness/health issue, cods.

Moreover, there is a difference between being depressed and having depression.

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Reply #21 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

why does it always come down to depression....??

really... its not as if depression is something NEW...it isnt..what was wrong with his life to be depressed about?????..he sounds as if he was very successful in what he chose to do....why take the lives of two beautiful children... that you have no right to take.

how can anyone say depression made him want to kill his own children???

it sounds more like he hated them....or his wife who now has to find a way to go forward after the unspeakable.....he left a long suicide note......he had time to seek help or answers......but chose not too..

Quote:

...........the 34-year-old had suffered with mental health issues for the past three years.............

drat.

IN THAT CASE HE WASNT THE NICE SMILING UNASSUMING MAN EVERYONE SAYS HE WAS?????.....

and mental issues....

says more than DEPRESSION>..

would you allow someone suffering MENTAL ISSUES to be in charge of children???>..

I dont know???...

I am saying this is MURDER he took two lives with him....it was planned...if he had issues for 3 years he must have been seeing someone......what does that say?????.......

no one saw a hint of this coming????.....ok lets call it depression... Roll Eyes

Depression is a mental disorder/illness, cods.

Moreover, there is a difference between being depressed and having depression.

not always.... we use words today to explain what we cant explain..

a man is a smiling wonderful husband and father....who suddenly decides to take his own life along with his two sons...

he doesnt have them fall asleep forever...

no he drowns them...he drives off a jetty....at high speed....their last moments must have been terror filled....

another is so depressed he SHOOTS his wife and 3 children then himself...

yep lets call it depression...

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Reply #22 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am

There is, of course, the phenomenom of the "smiling depressive' Cods.

And people can develop such a negative view of the world (again , this needs to be fought), but they can see the world as SUCH a negative place that they feel those they love are better off escaping it as well.

Even although it is no longer an in vogue term, i prefer "nervous breakdown"

Anyone can have one.

if i put you in a steel box, gave you some chronic pain, played mariah carey at 120 db on a loop for 5 days, you would have a nervous breakdown.

by developing our minds , we would be 'harder to break" , just as someone in peak physical condition would survive extreme physical stress (say Stuart Diver).

so work on developing a great mind.
embrace stress. embrace challenge.
you are NOT your mind.
when your mind tells you to do something (eat maccas, play the pokies, have a smoke)
see it as a game, you verses your mind, and decide that you are going to win.

Do that every day (and every moment of every day) and you get momentum and this sort of breakdown will be far less likely to afflict you

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Reply #23 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:44am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:03am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:46am:

why does it always come down to depression....??

really... its not as if depression is something NEW...it isnt..what was wrong with his life to be depressed about?????..he sounds as if he was very successful in what he chose to do....why take the lives of two beautiful children... that you have no right to take.

how can anyone say depression made him want to kill his own children???

it sounds more like he hated them....or his wife who now has to find a way to go forward after the unspeakable.....he left a long suicide note......he had time to seek help or answers......but chose not too..

Quote:

...........the 34-year-old had suffered with mental health issues for the past three years.............

drat.

IN THAT CASE HE WASNT THE NICE SMILING UNASSUMING MAN EVERYONE SAYS HE WAS?????.....

and mental issues....

says more than DEPRESSION>..

would you allow someone suffering MENTAL ISSUES to be in charge of children???>..

I dont know???...

I am saying this is MURDER he took two lives with him....it was planned...if he had issues for 3 years he must have been seeing someone......what does that say?????.......

no one saw a hint of this coming????.....ok lets call it depression... Roll Eyes

Depression is a mental disorder/illness, cods.

Moreover, there is a difference between being depressed and having depression.

not always....

Yes, always.

Depression, and being depressed are not the same thing.

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Reply #25 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:07am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:07am:

Many things can cause a person to snap and do something out of character. Maybe the vast predominance of women walking out on their marital relationships through 'not feeling validated' need to share some responsibility.

This society has a lot to answer for with its treatment of men to 'equalise' women. You can trust me when I say that the day will come when it does answer.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time - but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Even when it's a man killing his kids, you find a way to blame women.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Murder Suicide Dad An Everyday Bloke Reply #26 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:08am It was his decision to drive his car into the pier. Factors influencing this (1) His personal responsibility - 95% (2) Influence from his wife - 4% (3) Social influences - 1% The "everyday bloke" sits in the Social influence box
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Reply #27 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:11am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

There is, of course, the phenomenom of the "smiling depressive' Cods.

And people can develop such a negative view of the world (again , this needs to be fought), but they can see the world as SUCH a negative place that they feel those they love are better off escaping it as well.

Even although it is no longer an in vogue term, i prefer "nervous breakdown"

Anyone can have one.

if i put you in a steel box, gave you some chronic pain, played mariah carey at 120 db on a loop for 5 days, you would have a nervous breakdown.

by developing our minds , we would be 'harder to break" , just as someone in peak physical condition would survive extreme physical stress (say Stuart Diver).

so work on developing a great mind.
embrace stress. embrace challenge.
you are NOT your mind.
when your mind tells you to do something (eat maccas, play the pokies, have a smoke)
see it as a game, you verses your mind, and decide that you are going to win.

Do that every day (and every moment of every day) and you get momentum and this sort of breakdown will be far less likely to afflict you

I realise that... but this is becoming more and more these are young men... who have never been to war never done it really tough if you like....you cannot claim they didnt eat right or live right.so thats what sent them round the bend..

its more than that... as you say nervous breakdown thats what it was always called.. and people lived with it.. they didnt go out and MURDER THEIR FAMILIES...

these are fine young men....their children are all healthy born with everything in tact...look at the folks who have disabled children to take care of for the rest of their lives.........they dont do this.....and they have more excuse for being depressed.....than any of us....

cant you see this is more than that....

and as for training the brain... sure of course...do you think people will do that??????????....

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

Yes, always.

Depression, and being depressed are not the same thing

U. SAID... depression is a mental disorder/illness.

I SAID its not always the same thing...

and neither it is...

some people worry themselves into anxiety.. they have a need to look on the bad side of life no matter what.......they always sound down always depressed...gloomy....

most people who know them say they are depressed.... but they are not....they are just negative about everything..

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Reply #28 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:18am

mothra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:07am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:07am:

Many things can cause a person to snap and do something out of character. Maybe the vast predominance of women walking out on their marital relationships through 'not feeling validated' need to share some responsibility.

This society has a lot to answer for with its treatment of men to 'equalise' women. You can trust me when I say that the day will come when it does answer.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time - but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Even when it's a man killing his kids, you find a way to blame women.

Grapps and I don't always agree but there are deep truths in what he says

This man took a decision to kill himself and his children - for this he must take 100% personal responsibility when he meets his maker

Even though it would not bring their lives back it would be interesting to know what the contributing factors are

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Reply #29 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:19am

mothra wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:07am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 7:07am:

Many things can cause a person to snap and do something out of character. Maybe the vast predominance of women walking out on their marital relationships through 'not feeling validated' need to share some responsibility.

This society has a lot to answer for with its treatment of men to 'equalise' women. You can trust me when I say that the day will come when it does answer.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time - but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Even when it's a man killing his kids, you find a way to blame women.

I am so glad you said that I was going to comment on it.. but thought why bother it wont stop him always blaming the female... Angry

I dont care what anyone says there is no excuse or reason or illness other than madness....for murdering your children....

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