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Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30492016/muslim-navy-captain-has-twitter-account-del...

A twitter account allegedly belonging to the navy’s most senior Muslim officer has been shut down after it retweeted a post mocking Tony Abbott and backed the Grand Mufti’s controversial response to the Paris terror attacks.

Captain Mona Shindy, the Chief of Navy’s strategic adviser on Islamic affairs, is understood to have run the account @navyislamic until it was deleted shortly before Christmas following at least one complaint.

In September, the social media account retweeted counter-terrorism expert Anne Aly, on the night of the leadership change, The Australian reports.

“Wait. Did our new PM just give a speech and not mention boats, death cult, security, death cult, terrorism, national security and death cult?” the tweet read.

In October, the account was used to attack a new Queensland-based political party called the Australian Liberty Alliance (ALA), which was launched by controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders.

“Real shame to see these extreme ill informed fringe groups threatening #community #cohesion. #auspol #teamhumanrace” the tweet from October 22 stated.

Then in November, five days after the Paris terror attacks, @navyislamic tweeted the hashtag #IStandWithTheMufti.

The tweet described the Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, whose comments on Islamic extremism were widely criticised following the deadly attacks, as a “righteous & courageous man who categorically denounces” Islamic State and terrorism.

Captain Shindy, who is a 26-year veteran of the navy and head of its Guided Missile Frigat Program, also called for the word ‘Islam’ to be removed from reporting on Islamic state in policy talk in an essay published in June.

The Australian reports she also called for ‘frank, fearless debate‘ about the ‘root cause and triggers’ of Islamic grievances, which she said included foreign policy double standards and the fact that young Australian Muslims felt they had been marginalized.

A Defence Department spokesperson told the newspaper the navy had consolidated its social media platforms in order to achieve a ‘single source’ and ‘strengthen its messaging in synch with its support to traditional media’.

The Guardian reports the Twitter account was deleted 12 days after the head of the ALA Debbie Robinson, wrote to the Australian Defence Force asking the navy to distance itself from the account or delete it.

“It is completely unacceptable for an official defence Twitter account to criticise any registered political party in Australia,” Robinson, who has previously described Islam as a ‘dangerous idealogy’ said in a press release.

Captain Shindy who is currently on leave, has declined to comment on the matter.

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Reply #3 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:06pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

ban him

It is a she.

Ah yes I recall her - she had been getting some good press recently as a good muslim role model, loyally serving her country and rising through the ranks - and with a hijab no less.

I guess that couldn't stand - thank God we found some dirt on her eh - put that bitch in her place.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #4 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:07pm

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...................Then in November, five days after the Paris terror attacks, @navyislamic tweeted the hashtag #IStandWithTheMufti.

The tweet described the Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, whose comments on Islamic extremism were widely criticised following the deadly attacks, as a “righteous & courageous man who categorically denounces” Islamic State and terrorism.

Captain Shindy, who is a 26-year veteran of the navy and head of its Guided Missile Frigat Program, also called for the word ‘Islam’ to be removed from reporting on Islamic state in policy talk in an essay published in June.

The Australian reports she also called for ‘frank, fearless debate‘ about the ‘root cause and triggers’ of Islamic grievances, which she said included foreign policy double standards and the fact that young Australian Muslims felt they had been marginalized............

she wants 'frank and fearless debate' but wants no one to say the word islam..........

then of course takes the obligatory position of 'being one of the marginalized group.'

well, muslims take that position themselves for their own benefit.

it is wrong to have any muslim in the defence force.

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Reply #6 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:11pm

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..........one might like to know what advice Captain Shindy is providing. Luckily, a reader of this site advised me of an article written by Captain Shindy for Royal United Services Institute of New South Wales. Here are 15 quotes – and what they really mean:

1. Islam and violence

“Why then have Muslims been linked to terrorism? Terrorism is an unjustifiable, abhorrent act that has nothing to do with Islam. The extremist behaviour of groups purporting to be Muslims has been overplayed by the media for years constantly linking terrorist behaviours to Islam, e.g. use of the description ‘Islamist’, rather than separatist or militant.”

Real meaning: Let’s blame the media for the problem of Islamic violence.

2. Jihad

“‘Jihad’ is an Arabic word meaning ‘struggle’. Big or main jihad is a spiritual struggle to resist the temptations of this world; to be righteous and follow God’s path. Small or less required (hopefully) jihad is armed struggle in the way of God. This is for the protection of the weak or oppressed whoever they may be and whatever religion they follow. Armed jihad is defence against aggression and oppression.”

Real meaning: Armed jihad is real, it exists, it is justified.

3. Hijab

“The hijab is a head covering sanctioned in the Quran, which contains dress codes for both men and women.”

Real meaning: The hijab is part of Sharia law and Navy uniforms are now compliant with it.

4. Islam and women

“Are Muslim women oppressed? No way! That said, it is true that there are pockets around the world in some Islamic nations where women are wrongly treated.”

Real meaning: Islamic women aren’t oppressed. Except when they are.

5. Opportunities for Australian Muslims

“Muslim Australians need the same opportunities as all their peers to enjoy satisfying lives and to feel included in and valued by the society in the country they love. The community must understand and respond to the challenges faced by its Muslim citizens – doing so is vital to community cohesion and respectful integration; and to reducing the risk of individuals falling into the ‘radicalisation trap’.”

Real meaning: Extremism is our fault because, in some undefined way, Muslims don’t have the same opportunities as the rest of us.

6. Sunni/Shia divide

“I personally find Western overplaying of the Sunni-Shiite rivalry to be unhelpful and often unwarranted. The media messaging seems determined at times to fuel flames. The bottom line is that commonalities between the sects significantly outweigh the differences which are in themselves not worthy of justifying division.”

Real meaning: The Western world is responsible for Sunni/Shia conflict.

7. Difficulties for young Muslims in Australia

“Young Muslims need to feel and see that they belong in Australian society. They need to be given equal opportunities and be protected, mentally and physically, by their government to the same extent as every other Australian. This requires empathy and an understanding that standing in the shoes of an Australian Muslim in today’s environment is not as simple or as easy as standing in shoes of a non-Muslim Australian.”

Real meaning: Young Muslims aren’t protected by the government because, you know, it’s like harder for them (again in some undefined way).

8. Need to look outside Western lens

“Continuing to assess Muslim behaviour and lifestyle through a Western lens, shaped through Western historical experiences and understanding (which is very different to Islamic history and tradition), is fraught with danger and is perhaps the main reason for incorrect conclusions and views being reached.”

Real meaning: Our Western values and views are the problem. If we looked at things from an Islamic perspective this violence would not seem like terrorism.

9. Charlie Hebdo

“The Charlie Hebdo event in Paris on 7 January 2015 is a case in point. From an Islamic perspective, the French government appears to be saying it is acceptable to ridicule what others hold as sacred, and cause outrage within French Muslim society; but it is not acceptable for Muslim women to exercise similar freedom of expression (not hurting anyone by the way) by wearing the hijab at universities or schools.”

Real meaning: From an Islamic perspective, Charlie Hebdo is our fault.

10. al Qaeda

“In Afghanistan, al-Qaida, a politically driven group/movement having issues with United States foreign policy, was targeted in Afghanistan as it had training camps there. Al-Qaida makes arguments for armed jihad, reasoning that United States foreign policy and activities oppress the innocent.”

Real meaning: al Qaida is a political movement that opposes the US for oppressing the innocent and let’s just forget about September 11..............

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Reply #7 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:12pm

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.......10. al Qaeda

“In Afghanistan, al-Qaida, a politically driven group/movement having issues with United States foreign policy, was targeted in Afghanistan as it had training camps there. Al-Qaida makes arguments for armed jihad, reasoning that United States foreign policy and activities oppress the innocent.”

Real meaning: al Qaida is a political movement that opposes the US for oppressing the innocent and let’s just forget about September 11.

11. More jihad

“There is also a need to understand why elements of the Muslim community are vulnerable to extremism and radicalisation. Islam calls Muslims to jihad to stop oppression. So once the idea of Muslim ‘oppression’ is planted in the minds of at-risk individuals, it is easier to move them to extremist actions.”

Real meaning: The problem with jihad is not jihad, but us.

12. Addressing terrorism

“The same needs to happen with addressing terrorism. We need to move on more quickly from a single approach of talking tough and broadly bombing regions where we believe extremists operate. I am not sure there is often any real clarity as to who exactly is the enemy. As such, working on preventative strategies gives the best likelihood of long-term success. Security, jobs, income to support families, and stability to grow and educate populations, are the key ingredients to preventing the explosive, desperate reaction to despair that is extremism.”

Real meaning: It’s hard to know who the enemy is because Islam is complicated. But if we were nicer they’d go away.

13. Islamic State

“Indeed, the word ‘Islam’ needs to be removed from reporting on ISIS/ISIL or Daesh. The barbaric nature and ideology of these groups has nothing to do with Islam and we should work to limit their appeal to vulnerable Muslims, preventing the use and advertising of ‘Islam’ in their name. This would also limit the adverse impact they are having on the reputation and quality of life of the true peaceful Muslim majority. This must be coupled with frank, fearless, fair, respectful and honest debate addressing the root causes of grievances with a view to arresting the vicious cycle.”

Real meaning: We need to have a frank discussion about root causes of the problem. So we must not discuss the Islamic State’s reliance on Islamic teaching, doctrine and history.

14. Government assistance

“Tangible and practical strategies should include the provision of government assistance to the Australian Muslim community:

• to develop more English speaking religious leaders (Imams) to service the needs and spiritual guidance of Muslim youth;

• to create funded employment opportunities for appropriately qualified Imams;

• to provide more mosques, with appropriately qualified Imams – this would reduce the promotion of unsavoury ideologies by uneducated do-gooders in makeshift community halls used for gatherings and prayer where no proper Islamic religious services exist; and

• by addressing raised grievances or giving plausible, defensible and non-discriminatory reasons why they cannot be addressed – open and frank dialogue is needed in order to build understanding, respect and trust. Government education of the Australian community by promoting inclusion and mutual respect also would help in balancing and smoothing out polarised perceptions and beliefs.”

Real meaning: The government needs to employ more imams, build more mosques and promote Islam.

15. Islamic victimisation

“Muslim victimisation and disenfranchisement, real or perceived, puts the Muslim community under great strain. It erodes its confidence and self-esteem, and promotes a victim mentality, leading parts of the community to withdraw from the wider society. Indeed, segments of the Muslim community in Australia now struggle to integrate, to effectively communicate their true nature, and to reach their full potential. This, in turn, has impacted on the mental health of some within the Muslim community, and is a social phenomenon which needs serious and empathetic attention. Effective strategies are needed to address it. In short, real change can and must occur in Australia’s relations with its Muslim citizens. It will need strong leadership, a change in the dialogue, better exploration of grievances and community challenges, and implementation of a national education programme promoting understanding and inclusion.”

Real meaning: Muslims have a victim mentality and this is justified when the oppression is not even real, but just perceived. The only way to address this victim mentality is by recognising that the Islamic community are victims and deserve more support and recognition of their perceived grievances (even if they aren’t real).
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http://bernardgaynor.com.au/15-things-the-chief-of-navys-islamic-advisor-has-to-say/

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Reply #8 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

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1. Islam and violence

“Why then have Muslims been linked to terrorism? Terrorism is an unjustifiable, abhorrent act that has nothing to do with Islam. The extremist behaviour of groups purporting to be Muslims has been overplayed by the media for years constantly linking terrorist behaviours to Islam, e.g. use of the description ‘Islamist’, rather than separatist or militant.”

Real meaning: Let’s blame the media for the problem of Islamic violence.

So this high ranking Aust Muslim official thinks ISIS is not Muslims?

Does she think it's rabid Buddhist??

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Reply #9 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

ban him

It is a she.

Ah yes I recall her - she had been getting some good press recently as a good muslim role model, loyally serving her country and rising through the ranks - and with a hijab no less.

I guess that couldn't stand - thank God we found some dirt on her eh - put that bitch in her place.

This is a nothing. It was an error that she (Muslim or not....part of the Military is enough) allowed herself to be known as behind that account (I am twitter ignorant) which has a 'government' sounding name. Better for her that it is closed.

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Reply #10 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:17pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

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1. Islam and violence

“Why then have Muslims been linked to terrorism? Terrorism is an unjustifiable, abhorrent act that has nothing to do with Islam. The extremist behaviour of groups purporting to be Muslims has been overplayed by the media for years constantly linking terrorist behaviours to Islam, e.g. use of the description ‘Islamist’, rather than separatist or militant.”

Real meaning: Let’s blame the media for the problem of Islamic violence.

So this high ranking Aust Muslim official thinks ISIS is not Muslims?

Does she think it's rabid Buddhist??

I haven't read anything where she mentions Buddhists.

Perhaps she considers them in the same way that all other rational, intelligent people see them - terrorists.

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Reply #11 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

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6. Sunni/Shia divide

“I personally find Western overplaying of the Sunni-Shiite rivalry to be unhelpful and often unwarranted. The media messaging seems determined at times to fuel flames. The bottom line is that commonalities between the sects significantly outweigh the differences which are in themselves not worthy of justifying division.”

Real meaning: The Western world is responsible for Sunni/Shia conflict.

Look at what's happening between saudi Arabia (Sunni) and the reaction in Iran (Shi'ite/Shia) in the last 2 days

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Reply #12 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:23pm

Maqqa wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

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6. Sunni/Shia divide

“I personally find Western overplaying of the Sunni-Shiite rivalry to be unhelpful and often unwarranted. The media messaging seems determined at times to fuel flames. The bottom line is that commonalities between the sects significantly outweigh the differences which are in themselves not worthy of justifying division.”

Real meaning: The Western world is responsible for Sunni/Shia conflict.

Look at what's happening between saudi Arabia (Sunni) and the reaction in Iran (Shi'ite/Shia) in the last 2 days

Yeas, look! Never happened before that these Arab tribes have been at each others throats........never. Let's hope we have the brains to stay out of it.

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Reply #13 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:55pm:

ban him

It is a she.

Ah yes I recall her - she had been getting some good press recently as a good muslim role model, loyally serving her country and rising through the ranks - and with a hijab no less.

I guess that couldn't stand - thank God we found some dirt on her eh - put that bitch in her place.

gandalf I would suggest that any Officer in our Defence force who commented on Govt Policy the way she did.. would get the same attention... Angry

they take an OATH you know...

it goes to show Muslims cannot divorce themselves from their religion.... even when serving their country...

not sure I am happy with that.

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Reply #14 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:41pm

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

it goes to show Muslims cannot divorce themselves from their religion.... even when serving their country...

not sure I am happy with that.

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ALL Muslims are required to make an oath to obey the Q'ran

This is why they have Sharia Law

I posted a study the other day that shows over 50% of Muslim supports a change to Sharia Law in the US

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