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Reply #30 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:08pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

What's your message Kiron? The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs?

Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-...

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Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries.

Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past.

Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas.

Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend.

"[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said.

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Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial.
Reply #31 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:09pm

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

They are not anywhere near the same thing also they are wrong on the lockout laws.
The only reason Lockout laws "worked" is because they absolutely killed nightlife and caused all the clubs to shut down, people can't go out anymore, how is that good policy? Aren't you supposed to be small Government?

How are festival organizers supposed to fight dangerous drug use while testing stations and other proper first aid measures are banned? I've been to festivals where you have to go through full police checkpoints and still drugs flowed like candy inside. Prohibition doesn't work and can never work.

Another point I would make is that MDMA and other popular festival drugs for the most part are actually safe when used correctly and are far safer than alcohol, In my over a decade of going to raves and parties where MDMA is widely used, I've never seen an overdose caused by it and I've never seen a single fight due to the actual effects of MDMA (it increases empathy while alcohol increases aggression).

Also another point is that the media is generally full of poo and doesn't even know what it's talking about half the time, for example, one music festival I was at a girl died from OD'ing about... 20 meters from me in the next camp site, what happened is that she died of Alcohol and GHB poisoning, but what did the media report it as? MDMA.

The fact is, drug prohibition is a failure and doesn't even make any sense, most these drugs are only dangerous because of prohibition means you don't know what you're getting, also keeping everything underground creates connections between regular people and organized crime who will always try push more dangerous drugs on you, one day you might just be buying weed or MDMA, but next the dealer is pushing Speed on you then Ice. If you were able to buy safe drugs through safe official channels, this would never, ever be an issue and you would probably see use in other dangerous drugs fall since that connection would be severed.

One only needs to look at the Colorado and Washington to see what a booming success legalization has been.

swaggy is a fascist: he aint small government and never was Cheesy

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Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial.
Reply #33 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 3:17pm:

I can see it now:-

Are you sick of the same old bland brand of rave drug? Not getting the kick out of life that you used to? Then try new, improved Bairdraver... the MDMA you HAVE when you're having MDMA!

Available at your nearest supermarket or pharmacy, right alongside Regularijuana and Green Machine Hash.. with the right prescription you can even get new improved Shareoin and California Poppy, and for those Long Slow Days.....try The Acid Test...

please never say the word SHARON in any variation ever again: thankyou,... now i need to throw up : "...it's all coming back bugger******************************************** Roll Eyes

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Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial.
Reply #34 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:14pm

Melanias purse wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

the communist ponytail supporting drugs. how unsurprising.

give it up kiron. you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society.

Thank God you’re back, Longy.

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Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial.
Reply #35 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:15pm

cods wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

the communist ponytail supporting drugs. how unsurprising.

give it up kiron. you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society.

Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads.

and ALL the Labor members have empty heads...

.. its all sex videos..between their ears...mistresses and porn..

never met a cheating liberal voter Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

the communist ponytail supporting drugs. how unsurprising.

give it up kiron. you are an old out-dated commie/hippie who no longer relates to modern society.

Can't wait for when they are forced to drug test pollies and you find out half the LNP are cokeheads.

but you think drugs are harmless and good so what's the problem, pony-tail?

lol, longy still thinks liberal voting mummys and daddys don't use their sons and daughters drug money to pay off the spare rental Grin

Just check out Julie Bishops electorate: case closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #37 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego.

Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice.

we cant have the conversation because you draw the line way too far away from safety. You want drugs. You like drugs.

libs love selling drugs: and getting raided and stuff too yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheesy

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Reply #38 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:20pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

What's your message Kiron? The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs?

Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-...

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Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries.

Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past.

Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas.

Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend.

"[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said.

Don't you know by now? The idiotic left would rather we did nothing than try something to stop kids dying from drug overdoses.

armchair thinks libs don't sell drugs to pay off daddys assets Grin

....is he for super cereal???????????????????????????????????????????? Shocked

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Reply #39 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:23pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research.
It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol? only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that.

BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol.

Just say no.

LSD is not addictive.

another dumb druggie with a reduced IQ courtesy of chemicals.

yeh, because longy has the stats to prove it Roll Eyes

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Reply #40 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:25pm

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:30pm:

So whenever you're ready to apologise Longy, you can leave it here or in the thread where you said unlawful and illegal are 100% synonymous.

longy aint apoligising for copper internet so why would you think IT is apologising for losing another internet showdown Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

LSD is not addictive.

No, once you've had it you will never want it again Grin

http://www.mushroom-magazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1621963_1020332...

I think you just repeated the obvious Roll Eyes

May aswell smoke liberal daddy through a crackpipe for a boring spare rental wink wink wink wink wink!

Once again: check out Julie Bishops electorate for further details Grin

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Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial.
Reply #43 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 11^th, 2016 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

LSD is not addictive.

No, once you've had it you will never want it again Grin

http://www.mushroom-magazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/1621963_1020332...

I think you just repeated the obvious Roll Eyes

May aswell smoke liberal daddy through a crackpipe for a boring spare rental wink wink wink wink wink!

Once again: check out Julie Bishops electorate for further details Grin

You're a walking talking advert on the dangers of drugs, kiddies take note, do you really want to end up like this?

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Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial.
Reply #44 - Jan 11^th, 2016 at 7:49pm

You don't want to reuse LSD because it's an incredibly mentally exhausting drug to use, Psychedelics like LSD are generally 4-5 hours of fun and often 5 hours of "What the bugger am I doing with my life?" They are very introspective and LSD especially can get pretty mind tricky after the half-way point in the trip, not hallucination wise (that only lasts for the first few hours), but analytical wise, you start over-analyzing everything.

Also Psychedelics have something called "Tolerance" which means the more you use it, the less it's effects become dramatically, take LSD one day, you will only get half the effect if you take it the day after, if you take it the day after that, there will be little effect at all. Psychedelics need a "cooldown" time and this can last upto a month, this is why they have little chance of being abused.

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