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Reply #15 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:14am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 9:21am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

What's your message Kiron? The State Govt is wrong to try and stop kids dying from overdosing on illegal drugs?

Other Doctors don't have the same opinion about the same Govt's alcohol lock out laws? (More or less the same thing)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-12/doctors-warn-against-relaxing-nsw-lockout-...

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Doctors are warning against the New South Wales Government relaxing its lockout laws, citing a huge reduction in drug and alcohol-related injuries.

Clinicians and physicians at Sydney's St Vincent's Hospital said the past 12 months had been their best in a long time, with less extreme drug and alcohol-related injuries than they had seen in the past.

Not only do they think the Government's lockout laws led the change, but some would also like to see the scope widened to include other problem areas.

Neurosurgeon Mark Winder said the hospital's emergency room was once over-run every weekend.

"[There were] a lot of head injuries, a lot of drug and alcohol-induced injuries which [were] associated with violence ... varying from minor grazes to concussions to major injuries - terrible injuries - with regards to haemorrhages which required urgent surgical intervention," Dr Winder said.

Don't you know by now? The idiotic left would rather we did nothing than try something to stop kids dying from drug overdoses.

Even for you, that's one helluva dumb comment.

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Reply #16 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 3:16pm

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 8:17am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

Many drugs are essentially harmless on a risk assessment scale, Cocaine isn't one of those since the effects of coke are essentially alcohol x10 with a huge ego.

Your attitude is exactly why we can't have a conversation about drugs, because you always get hyperbolic crap comparing Marijuana or MDMA to Heroin or ice.

we cant have the conversation because you draw the line way too far away from safety. You want drugs. You like drugs.

Safety? I'm backed up by scientific data, many drugs are far, far safer alternatives to Alcohol, MDMA's "danger" can be counteracted with f**ing Gatorade for goodness sake. It's non-addictive, it's got largely no proven long term side effects, it's effects are uplifting empathy.
What's dangerous about Marijuana? Oh boy? People are going to inject 6 whole marijuanas and overdose in your opinion?

For Armchair's stupid comment. Australians are not even "overdosing" on MDMA or other pure party drugs, they are ODing on GHB an incredibly dangerous substance that causes alcohol poisoning if the person is drinking or cheap research chemicals from china like PMA being sold as MDMA.

Want to stop people from ODing? Actually legalize drugs based on harm risk assessment (many have already been scientifically done) and provide real drug safety courses throughout school. Hell I would argue there should be a drug an alcohol license you need to go get before you even are allowed to buy drugs and alcohol and you need to pass a test on first aid and drug safety.

Prohibition is the biggest failure there is, you can't stop people from doing drugs, especially when half these drugs are safer, non-addictive and have better effects than alcohol.

The only people who want to do NOTHING to stop kids from overdosing is the right, you idiots still want to keep drug testing stations illegal for goodness sake.

yeah like that's gonna work. get serious, ponytail. all you are doing is describing a walk on a path next to a cliff and saying which places you can put you feet real close to the edge without falling over when you should be teaching kids to not even be on the bloody path in the first place!

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Reply #17 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:09pm

Why wouldn't it work? The point of the license is to get information about drug and alcohol and first aid out there and get a populace who have basic first aid training.

Also "Don't do drugs" has worked so well hasn't it, drug usage is trending upwards, there is a reason Alcohol prohibition lasted a decade before being dismantled.

Again, most drugs aren't even dangerous when used correctly and pure and most were banned largely based on the whims of politicians based on their own prejudices.

There is no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to do Marijuana, MDMA, LSD. We live in a country where two incredibly deadly and addictive substances are legal, tobacco and Alcohol, it's completely insane that safer alternatives are made illegal based on stupid prejudices of conservatives.

All the data agrees with me, a huge portion of drugs out there should be legal and are essentially not dangerous.

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Reply #19 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

Are you serious? Alcohol is a chemically addictive dangerous drug which kills thousands of people every year and causes mass aggression.

You have to be off your rocker to think Alcohol can't be dangerous, the only reason you think it is safe is because its normalized. Fun fact, people used to make MDMA drink cocktails and people have been taking psychedelics for thousands of years.

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Reply #20 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 5:06pm

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Are you serious? Alcohol is a chemically addictive dangerous drug which kills thousands of people every year and causes mass aggression.

You have to be off your rocker to think Alcohol can't be dangerous, the only reason you think it is safe is because its normalized. Fun fact, people used to make MDMA drink cocktails and people have been taking psychedelics for thousands of years.

your comprehension is as bad as your political ideology. I didnt say alcohol was safe. i said it is SAFER... SAFER than MDMA and LSD - a rather obvious proposition.

but let me guess... you take these drugs and are seeking for YOUR idiocy to be normalised. right?

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Doctor: Liberal approach to drugs like AGW denial. Reply #21 - Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research. It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.
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Reply #22 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:18am

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research.
It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol? only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that.

BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol.

Just say no.

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Reply #24 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research.
It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol? only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that.

BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol.

Just say no.

LSD is not addictive.

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Reply #25 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 11:47am

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2016 at 6:09pm:

Why wouldn't it work? The point of the license is to get information about drug and alcohol and first aid out there and get a populace who have basic first aid training.

Also "Don't do drugs" has worked so well hasn't it, drug usage is trending upwards, there is a reason Alcohol prohibition lasted a decade before being dismantled.

Again, most drugs aren't even dangerous when used correctly and pure and most were banned largely based on the whims of politicians based on their own prejudices.

There is no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to do Marijuana, MDMA, LSD. We live in a country where two incredibly deadly and addictive substances are legal, tobacco and Alcohol, it's completely insane that safer alternatives are made illegal based on stupid prejudices of conservatives.

All the data agrees with me, a huge portion of drugs out there should be legal and are essentially not dangerous.

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/files/1-medical-marijuana-images/ranking-20-d...

I agree with the essence of your posting.

decriminalisation of ALL drugs is my preferred option.
What we are doing now is failing badly

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Reply #26 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 2:03pm

Mine is that drugs should be legalized based on harm mean score, things that are highly addictive and with dangerous health and social costs should stay illegal.

All drugs should be decriminalized for low amount of possession, drugs are a health issue, they shouldn't be a legal one, people shouldn't be afraid to seek help.

One of the main reasons I think MDMA should be legal is that its safe when pure and sourced from decent sources and done in correct dosages, by being able to buy MDMA from a chemist, you suddenly break the link people have with illegal drug dealers and thus have less of a chance of being pushed on hard drugs.

Sadly Australia will be one of the last places in the western world that will have serious drug reform I think.

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Reply #27 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research.
It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol? only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that.

BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol.

Just say no.

LSD is not addictive.

another dumb druggie with a reduced IQ courtesy of chemicals.

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Reply #28 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

Kiron22 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Except what you stat is not backed up by any scientific or medical research.
It is FACT, SCIENTIFIC FACT, 100% PROVEN that MDMA and LSD are safer than Alcohol. That chart I posted wasn't made by nobodies, it was made by the top medical researchers in the UK in a Government funded study.

sounds like a climate change 'fact'. a highly addictive hallucinogen (LSD) is safer than alcohol? only an idiot or a drug taker themselves (like you) would believe that.

BTW in todays news it was announced that drugs were a BIGGER cause in fatal accidents than alcohol.

Just say no.

LSD is not addictive.

another dumb druggie with a reduced IQ courtesy of chemicals.

Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, commonly known as LSD, is taken by mouth. It has a slightly bitter taste, and is available in tablets, capsules or as a liquid. Acid is commonly sold on a piece of blotter paper, and the user simply chews or swallows it to ingest the drug - without having to buy or conceal any paraphernalia to do so.
LSD has zero physical addiction potential. It is not physically addictive and it is not a drug that you will want to immediately do again. This is not the type of drug where a user experiences withdrawal if another dose isn't ingested within a relatively short period of time.
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/lsd/addiction.htm

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