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Reply #45 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:32am

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mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:55am:

And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.

I merely write fiction books... and some auto-bio..... not interested in academic attainment......

I can assure you, my thesis would be strongly based on personal experience.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #47 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:36am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:23am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:55am:

And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.

I merely write fiction books... and some auto-bio..... not interested in academic attainment......

I can assure you, my thesis would be strongly based on personal experience.

I know that - but it will remain your experience and has no relation to the position of Veterans.... sorry to say that. It really is a unique world, and the cop and the rape victim, for all their merit, were definitely not in the same mold as the Vets.

The difference, to me, was that the Veterans retained some character.... the cop I had to stop doing stuff to a bird that came for food.... the rape victim (with all my sympathy) played it to the hilt and was manipulative and 'me-me' to the max, while the Veterans just got on with the job..... and didn't have 'issues' with 'kicking the dog' or anything like that -as the civilian PTSD people do.

It IS a different world. Stargate - and no unlicensed operator need apply.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #48 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:40am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:36am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:23am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:55am:

And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.

I merely write fiction books... and some auto-bio..... not interested in academic attainment......

I can assure you, my thesis would be strongly based on personal experience.

I know that - but it will remain your experience and has no relation to the position of Veterans.... sorry to say that. It really is a unique world, and the cop and the rape victim, for all their merit, were definitely not in the same mold as the Vets.

The difference, to me, was that the Veterans retained some character.... the cop I had to stop doing stuff to a bird that came for food.... the rape victim (with all my sympathy) played it to the hilt and was manipulative and 'me-me' to the max, while the Veterans just got on with the job..... and didn't have 'issues' with 'kicking the dog' or anything like that -as the civilian PTSD people do.

It IS a different world. Stargate - and no unlicensed operator need apply.

I'll just step over what i consider to be very offensive in that post and ask, do you not think that is recognised by academia?

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Reply #49 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #50 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:49am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am:

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

Well that's a bit tricky when you have children to raise and see educated, isn't it?

Not a one size fits all approach there Grap.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #51 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:50am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:40am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:36am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:23am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:55am:

And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.

I merely write fiction books... and some auto-bio..... not interested in academic attainment......

I can assure you, my thesis would be strongly based on personal experience.

I know that - but it will remain your experience and has no relation to the position of Veterans.... sorry to say that. It really is a unique world, and the cop and the rape victim, for all their merit, were definitely not in the same mold as the Vets.

The difference, to me, was that the Veterans retained some character.... the cop I had to stop doing stuff to a bird that came for food.... the rape victim (with all my sympathy) played it to the hilt and was manipulative and 'me-me' to the max, while the Veterans just got on with the job..... and didn't have 'issues' with 'kicking the dog' or anything like that -as the civilian PTSD people do.

It IS a different world. Stargate - and no unlicensed operator need apply.

I'll just step over what i consider to be very offensive in that post and ask, do you not think that is recognised by academia?

Don't engage me with these long arguments.

Academia can recognise what it likes - it is still not reality and is not the solution. It is only academia, and I state categorically that it has no real conception of the position of the Veteran, and never will.

This is not a criticism of others with problems... it is a simple statement of reality from within that world.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #52 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:53am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:49am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am:

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

Well that's a bit tricky when you have children to raise and see educated, isn't it?

Not a one size fits all approach there Grap.

I've stated before - my children were never abused, but were taught to defend self and to be simple good human beings, which is the best we can attain.

They both got scholarships to a private college.... I have no problem with them.....

It's all in how you handle things yourself - to that true inner being that you are be true.... and I can assure that all others will follow. Some will hate - but that is not your problem.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #53 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:53am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:50am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:40am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:36am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:32am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:23am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:55am:

And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.

I merely write fiction books... and some auto-bio..... not interested in academic attainment......

I can assure you, my thesis would be strongly based on personal experience.

I know that - but it will remain your experience and has no relation to the position of Veterans.... sorry to say that. It really is a unique world, and the cop and the rape victim, for all their merit, were definitely not in the same mold as the Vets.

The difference, to me, was that the Veterans retained some character.... the cop I had to stop doing stuff to a bird that came for food.... the rape victim (with all my sympathy) played it to the hilt and was manipulative and 'me-me' to the max, while the Veterans just got on with the job..... and didn't have 'issues' with 'kicking the dog' or anything like that -as the civilian PTSD people do.

It IS a different world. Stargate - and no unlicensed operator need apply.

I'll just step over what i consider to be very offensive in that post and ask, do you not think that is recognised by academia?

Don't engage me with these long arguments.

Academia can recognise what it likes - it is still not reality and is not the solution. It is only academia, and I state categorically that it has no real conception of the position of the Veteran, and never will.

This is not a criticism of others with problems... it is a simple statement of reality from within that world.

And if it weren't through collated information, we would have no understanding of what the the Veteren is going through.

Nor would we have any tools at our disposal for dealing with current service personnel.

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Reply #54 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:54am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:49am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am:

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

Well that's a bit tricky when you have children to raise and see educated, isn't it?

Not a one size fits all approach there Grap.

I've stated before - my children were never abused, but were taught to defend self and to be simple good human beings, which is the best we can attain.

They both got scholarships to a private college.... I have no problem with them.....

It's all in how you handle things yourself - to that true inner being that you are be true.... and I can assure that all others will follow. Some will hate - but that is not your problem.

Did i question that?

Were your children educated? Or did you take them bush?

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89902 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human Reply #55 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:55am Bed time.... Ever noticed how a slow thread creates dissension and argument - when an issue has already been addressed? 'Night! And take good care... I value your views...
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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #56 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:58am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:54am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:49am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am:

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

Well that's a bit tricky when you have children to raise and see educated, isn't it?

Not a one size fits all approach there Grap.

I've stated before - my children were never abused, but were taught to defend self and to be simple good human beings, which is the best we can attain.

They both got scholarships to a private college.... I have no problem with them.....

It's all in how you handle things yourself - to that true inner being that you are be true.... and I can assure that all others will follow. Some will hate - but that is not your problem.

Did i question that?

Were your children educated? Or did you take them bush?

No - they stayed with their mother while I did what she always complained about - fought the wars even when they were not right here and now..... train hard... fight easy.

I was never home.... but my kids always knew that they were honoured and protected and their dad gave them guidance and showed by example.

Both are gentle and genuine human beings and do no wrong....... no drugs, no violence, no criminality... no nothing.

Lead by example.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #57 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:00am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:58am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:54am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:49am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am:

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

Well that's a bit tricky when you have children to raise and see educated, isn't it?

Not a one size fits all approach there Grap.

I've stated before - my children were never abused, but were taught to defend self and to be simple good human beings, which is the best we can attain.

They both got scholarships to a private college.... I have no problem with them.....

It's all in how you handle things yourself - to that true inner being that you are be true.... and I can assure that all others will follow. Some will hate - but that is not your problem.

Did i question that?

Were your children educated? Or did you take them bush?

No - they stayed with their mother while I did what she always complained about - fought the wars even when they were not right here and now..... train hard... fight easy.

I was never home.... but my kids always knew that they were honoured and protected and their dad gave them guidance and showed by example.

Both are gentle and genuine human beings and do no wrong....... no drugs, no violence, no criminality... no nothing.

Lead by example.

Not everyone has the opportunity to go bush Grap.

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #58 - Jan 5^th, 2016 at 2:08am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:54am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:53am:

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:49am:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 1:47am:

The best 'management' I found for PTSD was to do what the Honoured Shrinks etc said NOT to do.... seek a quiet environment by 'going bush'.... lessee..... 2001 I set out..... I'd say 2015 I really surfaced as myself.... after a very long time of being off the planet ... 2001 was when I 'went bush' -... brace yourself for a long time getting your head right..... Luke...

Now I am almost serene, with the odd bad patch.... and all the people I know value and respect me as a humane and caring human being... including our local Aborigines who all hold me in respect.... because I do the same for them.....

To thine own self be true... for nobody else has the answer.....

Well that's a bit tricky when you have children to raise and see educated, isn't it?

Not a one size fits all approach there Grap.

I've stated before - my children were never abused, but were taught to defend self and to be simple good human beings, which is the best we can attain.

They both got scholarships to a private college.... I have no problem with them.....

It's all in how you handle things yourself - to that true inner being that you are be true.... and I can assure that all others will follow. Some will hate - but that is not your problem.

Did i question that?

Were your children educated? Or did you take them bush?

As usual - I went alone..... when I worked with two 2nd Commando officers they had no hesitation in sending me on one-man jobs....... they knew stuff that nobody knows....

No - I am not delusional.... 4RAR became 2nd Commando Regiment ..... I have both a (original) green beret and a sand one ...these two guys were 4RAR and knew me well.... I'm both a team player and a lone wolf... and am also a natural leader.... depending..

.. but I prefer to work alone sometimes.....

I'm long, lean and have a fine nose, tan well, and can pass for an Arab or Afghani.... even to the hand gestures.....

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Re: Perspective: US soldier thought Iraqis not human
Reply #59 - Jan 6^th, 2016 at 10:00am

mothra wrote on Jan 5^th, 2016 at 12:55am:

And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.

Not with your current lack of knowledge you couldnt. And remember 1 thing, correlation is not causation. If you think really hard about this rather than take the view you already know you may reach the window of understanding to get why psychotic episodes may be correlated with PTSD in some sufferers. Or not, thats all Im going to give you on the subject.

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