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Reply #30 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am
 
The comorbidity of psychotic symptoms and posttraumatic stress disorder: evidence for a specifier in DSM-5.
Bosson JV1, Reuther ET, Cohen AS.


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The comorbidity of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and psychotic symptoms is higher than what might be expected based on the prevalence of either disorder alone. Furthermore, the presence of psychotic symptoms is evident in PTSD patients who do not otherwise meet criteria for a psychotic spectrum disorder. The current paper discusses three existing hypotheses regarding the relation of PTSD and psychosis and presents a series of case studies that illustrates this phenomenon across a diverse group of patients and scenarios. Clinical implications in light of these case studies are offered, including the suggestion that the next edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders includes a specifier of PTSD with psychotic features.


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Reply #31 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:36am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:34am:
Your studies are horse puckey Mothra.




No. They're not.

Hvae you ever experienced a flashback? Hallucination? Dissociation?

yes.
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Your studies are horse puckey.
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Reply #33 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:42am
 
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:36am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:34am:
Your studies are horse puckey Mothra.




No. They're not.

Hvae you ever experienced a flashback? Hallucination? Dissociation?

yes.



Then you should know you are not always in your right mind when experiencing those things.

Furthermore, it is evident that some people with PTSD experience psychotic symptoms, but not all.

If you were not psychotic, it is not to say that it is not a notable variable.
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Reply #34 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:43am
 
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am:
Your studies are horse puckey.




It's in the DSM-5.

You're kidding yourself.
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Reply #35 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:46am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:43am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am:
Your studies are horse puckey.




It's in the DSM-5.

You're kidding yourself.

i deal with people with psychosis day in and day out, your studies are horse puckey.
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Reply #36 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:46am
 
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:46am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:43am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am:
Your studies are horse puckey.




It's in the DSM-5.

You're kidding yourself.

i deal with people with psychosis day in and day out, your studies are horse puckey.




So do i. Are you calling the DSM-5 "horse puckey"?
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Reply #37 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:49am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:42am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:36am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:34am:
Your studies are horse puckey Mothra.




No. They're not.

Hvae you ever experienced a flashback? Hallucination? Dissociation?

yes.



Then you should know you are not always in your right mind when experiencing those things.

Furthermore, it is evident that some people with PTSD experience psychotic symptoms, but not all.

If you were not psychotic, it is not to say that it is not a notable variable.
This just shows how poorly you understand these things Mothra. Flashbacks have nothing to do with a psychotic state, neither does dissociation. Hallucinations are not commonly experienced by those with PTSD. You are completely out of your depth.
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Reply #38 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:50am
 
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:49am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:42am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:40am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:36am:
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:34am:
Your studies are horse puckey Mothra.




No. They're not.

Hvae you ever experienced a flashback? Hallucination? Dissociation?

yes.



Then you should know you are not always in your right mind when experiencing those things.

Furthermore, it is evident that some people with PTSD experience psychotic symptoms, but not all.

If you were not psychotic, it is not to say that it is not a notable variable.
This just shows how poorly you understand these things Mothra. Flashbacks have nothing to do with a psychotic state, neither does dissociation. Hallucinations are not commonly experienced by those with PTSD. You are completely out of your depth.



Are you calling the DSM-5 "horse puckey"?
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Reply #39 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:51am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:46am:
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So do i. Are you calling the DSM-5 "horse puckey"?
yes. Not forgetting this is the same DSM which called homosexuality a mental illness. Do you think homos are mentally ill Mothra?
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Reply #40 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:54am
 
ian wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:51am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:46am:
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So do i. Are you calling the DSM-5 "horse puckey"?
yes. Not forgetting this is the same DSM which called homosexuality a mental illness. Do you think homos are mentally ill Mothra?




That would be a 'did'. It does not currently do so.

I'm talking about the DSM-5 that notes, as does the main stream of psychiatrists and psychologists, that psychosis is co-morbid with PTSD on occasion.

Furthermore, flashbacks, dissociative states and hallucinations, all hallmarks of PTSD may present as psychosis like,
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Reply #41 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:55am
 
And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.
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Reply #42 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:21am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:18am:
The thing about academics Grap is that note things that are observable.


Yes - but only within the parameters that the observer knows... observer bias.  I can assure you that the most common refrain from those 'on the inside' is that nobody 'outside' has any idea.

I call it 'through the stargate' - once you've been there you can never come back and no-one outside has any idea - they can only surmise.

ADDS:-  That is an issue raised in The Terminator about traveling back through time and how do they return to the future - with Kyle - Nobody Comes Back.  For those 'on the inside' that phrase had/has a special meaning......  once you have that past, you can never return to your future.   Grok on that, Grasshopper.

A very common phrase I hear from Veterans is "You're talking Sh!t!".  What that means to them is that no matter how you think what you think - you will never know what they know.

Best to leave the studies to the books.... and the men to themselves.  The worst thing you can do is seek to 'set them right' when they will treat you with contempt as an outsider and use you to get what they need - which is some semblance of a normal life, part of which is enough to live on.

NO Digger I know actually thinks an academic study of his 'problems' means one piece of horse doover.... it's just words and has no relationship to the reality they live in and with.

I don't mean that to be mean to you and your academia - but it is the truth.  A cousin runs/ran a program for Vets at Concord - the Vets I know from there think it's a hoot, but she thinks she's an expert.... and knows it all.  She never knew anything of substance and never will, but will retire well, unlike here 'clients', who in some case.... many cases.. will die too young from many causes.

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Reply #43 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:23am
 
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:55am:
And i am far from out of my depth. I could write a thesis on PTSD.


I merely write fiction books... and some auto-bio..... not interested in academic attainment......
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Reply #44 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:28am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 1:21am:
mothra wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 12:18am:
The thing about academics Grap is that note things that are observable.


Yes - but only within the parameters that the observer knows... observer bias.  I can assure you that the most common refrain from those 'on the inside' is that nobody 'outside' has any idea.

I call it 'through the stargate' - once you've been there you can never come back and no-one outside has any idea - they can only surmise.

A very common phrase I hear from Veterans is "You're talking Sh!t!".  What that means to them is that no matter how you think what you think - you will never know what they know.

Best to leave the studies to the books.... and the men to themselves.  The worst thing you can do is seek to 'set them right' when they will treat you with contempt as an outsider and use you to get what they need - which is some semblance of a normal life, part of which is enough to live on.

NO Digger I know actually thinks an academic study of his 'problems' means one piece of horse doover.... it's just words and has no relationship to the reality they live in and with.

I don't mean that to be mean to you and your academia - but it is the truth.  A cousin runs/ran a program for Vets at Concord - the Vets I know from there think it's a hoot, but she thinks she's an expert.... and knows it all.



Do you not think that is taken into account by academia?

You're tarnishing the entire discipline because of the lack of sincere empathy of those often associated.

If it weren't for academia, we would have no diagnosis of PTSD at all. We would have no understanding of what people who have been severely traumatised go through and how holistically it affects them.

Don't dismiss academia findings out of hand because you have come across people with more book learning than empathy.

We know, through academia, that anti-depressants don't really work on people with PTSD, despite them presenting often as hugely depressed. THe same for anti-anxiety medication.

We know, through academia, that there are different types of PTSD that have distinct patterns,

Don't blame academia because there is no cure for PTSD. It can only be managed.
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