If the nazis didn’t steal land wtf were they doing in Holland 1940–45?

The Isrealis were booted out of Palestine by the Romans, so they have no historical/religious right of return. Zionist societies did sponsor Jews to return to Palestine where they bought land from various Muslim landholders.

Tassy would have been a much better place for them to settle. They are now dispossessing West Bank business and home owners and expropriating their land. They then feel all upset when there is resistance and payback to that. Israel is its own worst enemy right now.

Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 9:03am:


Disgraceful and insulting.

People would do well to listen to these lyrics.

It encompasses my views and millions of others of our people.

No they are not in my opinion and in world opinion the settlements are NOT classed as illegal as the vote on that subject could not come to agreement.

AND on the last two votes on Israeli actions in that region - AUSTRALIA voted in favour of Israel on one and ABSTAINED on the other.....

And your reference and comparison to the Nazis was disgraceful and you know it.

*Response to Hick's post # 199.*

Nah.. you lost me at the lyric "God gave this land to me."  Horseshit.  Where is the land this bloke 'gave to me' or are 'you' blokes special in the God giving land project? 

Skyfairies have no say in the matter.  I notice you did not answer my question (about a stone) as well Hicks.  I googled "Why do people not like Jews," and this came up:

Link.

I doubt it has much by the way of revelation, but your comments on it would be of interest to me.

Right I shall clarify my position on this entire subject -

1. My views are not a religious one. They are fact driven and belief in what is for the common good.

2. The 'Religious' view is that the Jewish People are God's chosen people. That He chose them as his and they have a divine right to the land. Now (and this is not my fundamental view on Israel) - I have been brought up to believe the Jews are the Chosen people and do believe it - but that's all that is.

3. The clear fact is that the Jews have been in the land of Israel since 10 centuries BC. Not exactly late arrivals.

4. In that time there has been conflict, wars, droughts, invasions. Overall the Jewish people though have remained in varying amounts.

5. Since before the turn of the century Herzl put forward his view of the return of the Jews to their homeland, to where they have always belonged. Where all of the main concepts and births of Judaism and the people sit.

6. There have then been 4-5 separate bursts of 'aaliyah' (Return to homeland) since Herzl's proposal. This is why the comments earlier in this thread of how Israel was a response to WW2 is just nonsense. WW2 hastened the moves - but they were in train well before then. Balfour has declared the need to create the Jewish state in WW1 times. There had then been 4 bouts of aaliyah before WW2 closed - in fact the exodus in 1945 was not that much more than others had been.

7. The state of Israel being created was the result of years in planning and centuries in birth - and a return to its entity not a new one. Israel is referred to in the bible, it is in the Torah, it is thousands of years old. Not just 1948.

8. Israel's fight today is with terrorists. The Arab aggressors who attacked it unprovoked no less than 5 times in the last century have gone. Nasser is dead, Egypt now align themselves with Israel. General Sisi refuses to open the southern Rafah border crossing because he refers to Hamas as 'desert dogs'. My own family members who have worked the southern zone have told me that specific information on suspects comes to the IDF directly from information passed on by the Egyptian Army....
In fact several fleeing the last campaign in Gaza who got into Egypt have been handed over by Egypt to Israel. That's how things are there.

9. Jordan has no dog in the fight anymore. In fact the Palestinians are the lowest of the low in the Arab world. There are 1m refugees inside Jordan who have crossed over. Does Jordan allow them in? Does Jordan offer them citizenship? In fact if you read your history Jordan up until 1980 claimed all of the West Bank for itself!

10. Israel has NEVER taken land off the Palestinians. The land captured in 1967 - which by the way was a war the Arabs started - was taken from Egypt (Gaza), Syria (The Golan) and Jordan (Judea and Samaria). Palestinians have NEVER held land in their own right.

11. Worth noting Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza - it was not forced. It just decided it was not worth the effort and handed it to the Palestinians. What did these same people do? Vote in a terrorist extremist group whose sole aim was the destruction of Israel. Nothing like picking up the olive branch eh?
By the way these are the same people who danced in the streets and handed out celebratory candy on 9/11 when the towers collapsed and called the 3 men martyrs who broke into an Israeli compound and slit the throats of a 4 year old and 6 month old boy.

Tell me again how Israel is the issue here....

There is none. I told you that.
I am not Israeli resident nor citizen.

My personal association comes from family who live there and family who have served in the IDF.

I do not have any relations who are rock throwing Palestinians so I am more associated to one side but the views below as you may note - are fact driven.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 15^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:


Tell me about the white phosphorous ...  tell me about the air-power bombing a densely populated city ...  tell me stories about those things too.

Tell me about how nothing gets in or out of Gaza without Israeli approval.

Tell me about the concentration camp that is Gaza.