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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #150 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:13am: Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing. Why am I not surprised by any of this?
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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #151 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:18am Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:14am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:13am: Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing. Why am I not surprised by any of this? What are you surprised about Lisa and why ?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #152 - Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am: Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous? Really? That's your answer? Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?
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Reply #153 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:20am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

stone throwing is a way of life..for Muslims.. andrei..

they still stone women to death in the market place...for adultery she probably has alone..

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Reply #154 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:53am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

The content of the post is only a distraction from bigger issues. One fatal incident of stone throwing, compared to mass attacks with weapons e.g white phosphorous. The Israelis have to rely on emotional content as the facts don't make them look good. This is a classic.

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Reply #155 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 7:06am

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 6:20am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

random wrote on Jan 12^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?

Really?
That's your answer?
Nothing to comment regarding the details posted?

Stone throwing is a way of life..for Muslims.. andrei..

they still stone women to death in the market place...for adultery she probably has alone..

Valid point!

Desensitization to stone thowing your own vulnerable.

Random? Your thoughts?

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Reply #157 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:51pm

random wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

See post #154

I read it and its nonsense.

The Israeli view isn't built on emotion - its built on fact and experience.

It is a country which has experienced attack after attack and has to defend itself, that's not emotion its raw fact.

1948 - Just a day after the creation of the country it was under attack.

In 1967 - My father and uncles fought in this war, Israel was directly attacked on 3 sides by its Arab neighbours. Attacked by Arab Nationalists who called for its destruction.

1973 - During the holiest time of Yom Kippur, again Egypt and Syria ganged up to attack Israel without provocation.

By the way - note a trend here? Muliple countries ganging up on the one? Classic Arabs. Cowards.
And they always bollocks it up and get their asses handed to them - may have something to di with Israeli efficiency and Arab cowardice.

Anyway - look to present day?
Israel HANDS territory to the Palestinians in Gaza. How do they respond? They vote into power a banned terrorist organization which calls for the destruction of Israel.

They fire 6,500 unguided rockets into the state of Israel and then cry when F-16 fighters respond and take out the launch sites?

In the last campaign in Gaza. You realist FOUR CEASEFIRES brokered by Egypt were all broken by Hamas firing rockets into Israel.
Why?
Because they are a classic rabble. They are hotheads, they have no control over their emotion and they fire.
They attack Israeli compunds. They slit the throats of Jewish 4 years old children.
What do the Palestinian leaders do? Hail the 'men' who did this as heroes??????

Look at the Shmuel HaNavi bus attack. A suicide bomber gets on a bus of just woman and children and blows themselves up - killing and maiming so many.

I'm sorry but this is what Israel faces every day. It offers so much and yet it is thrown back in its face.

The one difference which the western world fails at times to understand is the Israel response.

This is a mindset thing. It is built out of the horrors of the holocaust. The Christian mindset is that if you are hit on the cheek, give him the other one.
In Israel and Judaism if you are hit on the cheek, you hit him back and twice as hard.

My youngest cousin - a current serving IDF Regular - put it very well this past holiday period.
"If the Palestinians want peace, then so do we. They can live with us and we will build a future. If they want war then they can have that too. But they need to understand that we will bring onto them fire and terror that they will think God himself is bringing it"

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Reply #158 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 9:51pm:

random wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 5:07pm:

See post #154

I read it and its nonsense.

The Israeli view isn't built on emotion - its built on fact and experience.

It is a country which has experienced attack after attack and has to defend itself, that's not emotion its raw fact.

1948 - Just a day after the creation of the country it was under attack.

In 1967 - My father and uncles fought in this war, Israel was directly attacked on 3 sides by its Arab neighbours. Attacked by Arab Nationalists who called for its destruction.

1973 - During the holiest time of Yom Kippur, again Egypt and Syria ganged up to attack Israel without provocation.

By the way - note a trend here? Muliple countries ganging up on the one? Classic Arabs. Cowards.
And they always bollocks it up and get their asses handed to them - may have something to di with Israeli efficiency and Arab cowardice.

Anyway - look to present day?
Israel HANDS territory to the Palestinians in Gaza. How do they respond? They vote into power a banned terrorist organization which calls for the destruction of Israel.

They fire 6,500 unguided rockets into the state of Israel and then cry when F-16 fighters respond and take out the launch sites?

In the last campaign in Gaza. You realist FOUR CEASEFIRES brokered by Egypt were all broken by Hamas firing rockets into Israel.
Why?
Because they are a classic rabble. They are hotheads, they have no control over their emotion and they fire.
They attack Israeli compunds. They slit the throats of Jewish 4 years old children.
What do the Palestinian leaders do? Hail the 'men' who did this as heroes??????

Look at the Shmuel HaNavi bus attack. A suicide bomber gets on a bus of just woman and children and blows themselves up - killing and maiming so many.

I'm sorry but this is what Israel faces every day. It offers so much and yet it is thrown back in its face.

The one difference which the western world fails at times to understand is the Israel response.

This is a mindset thing. It is built out of the horrors of the holocaust. The Christian mindset is that if you are hit on the cheek, give him the other one.
In Israel and Judaism if you are hit on the cheek, you hit him back and twice as hard.

My youngest cousin - a current serving IDF Regular - put it very well this past holiday period.
"If the Palestinians want peace, then so do we. They can live with us and we will build a future. If they want war then they can have that too. But they need to understand that we will bring onto them fire and terror that they will think God himself is bringing it"

Can you clear the air, Mr Hicks, with a concession? In your last several posts, you are provide strong indications that you are Jewish, yet you also claim no special interest or bias on the matter of Israel. It seems pretty clear you do have a very personal dog in this fight. Yeas?

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Reply #159 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

And.....I'll get back to my point which on the surface is laughable, but it is doable.

Why stay in Territory where you and your Family are in permanent danger and under never ending constant threat? Just get out. Buy Tasmania. Hell ~ you could buy the entire Continent. What is more important Hicks....thumbing 'your' nose at 'stinking' Arabs in Arabia over a lump of very arid dirt, or the ongoing welfare of Jews and your Family?

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Reply #160 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

I have not made any comment on my religious denomination because it has no bearing on the points made.

Israel is a country - it has many religions. It has in fact 1m Arabs as citizens. In fact the Arabs in Israel funnily enough have more freedom than their brothers in Arab nations.

My points are made on viewing the situation and the region from afar - I am not an Israeli citizen or a resident. Though I have been to Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem many times and stayed with family.

However my view is an objective one - with a concession that I have family who are Israeli nationals and my family have fought for the Israeli Defence Forces.
This gives me some additional insight.

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Reply #161 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

I have not made any comment on my religious denomination because it has no bearing on the points made.

Israel is a country - it has many religions. It has in fact 1m Arabs as citizens. In fact the Arabs in Israel funnily enough have more freedom than their brothers in Arab nations.

My points are made on viewing the situation and the region from afar - I am not an Israeli citizen or a resident. Though I have been to Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem many times and stayed with family.

However my view is an objective one - with a concession that I have family who are Israeli nationals and my family have fought for the Israeli Defence Forces.
This gives me some additional insight.

Your view is insular and far from objective even if you deny that you are Jewish. Why the heck that would bother you has me totally stuffed, but that's your right. Everyone (you refer to) in your Family is Jewish. Why the obfuscation? You expect people here to believe you are objective but you will not respond to an obvious litmus test.

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Reply #162 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

Religious denomination aren't relevant to the points I make is why.

It's about objectively viewing the situation, the region, the issues, the need for Israel to respond responsibly to aggression, how to handle the Arabs that surround them etc.

Whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist - the points you make should still be the same.

There is no dog for me in the fight.

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Reply #163 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:44pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:04pm:

And.....I'll get back to my point which on the surface is laughable, but it is doable.

Why stay in Territory where you and your Family are in permanent danger and under never ending constant threat? Just get out. Buy Tasmania. Hell ~ you could buy the entire Continent. What is more important Hicks....thumbing 'your' nose at 'stinking' Arabs in Arabia over a lump of very arid dirt, or the ongoing welfare of Jews and your Family?

You don't just randomly pick a land.
Israel wasn't founded in the Holy Land purely by choice.
It is where the people belong. The great Exodus after the horrors of the holocaust was to return the people where they belong.
Israel, Jerusalem, Haifa etc - these are the ancient places where they belong.

Land - and you may scoff - that God himself gave to the Jewish people.

So no, some island off of a country the other side of the world has no bearing or meaning.

To ask the same question - why don't we clear out Gaza and the West Bank and put them all on there?

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Reply #164 - Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:48pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 13^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Religious denomination aren't relevant to the points I make is why.

It's about objectively viewing the situation, the region, the issues, the need for Israel to respond responsibly to aggression, how to handle the Arabs that surround them etc.

Whether you are Jew, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist - the points you make should still be the same.

There is no dog for me in the fight.

Come on Andrei. This is (sort of) the real World and honesty/transparency does rate here.

If I was a Presbyterian and got all hairy chested about an attempt by a Council to resume Church land.....it would hardly be honest of me not to declare my personal interest in any public debate about it. Further ~ What the heck are you so reluctant about? Surely there is no shame in whatever denomination you were born into?

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