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Reply #135 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:15pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
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Worth noting that in the last few years the votes on Israel saw the United States vetoing positions with support on the SC from Australia.
On the subject of statehood for Palestinians, Australia voted NO.


Didn't Australia to our shame abstain from voting. While we were a disgrace on the topic we did not support the US who vetoes the vote. The US vote on behalf of their huge Jewish community that holds significant political weight in their country. 



I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.


How many voted 'Yes?'
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Reply #136 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:31pm
 
The UN Security Council has rejected a Palestinian resolution calling for peace with Israel within a year and an end to Israel's occupation by 2017.

Only the United States and Australia voted against the Resolution, but as a veto holding permanent member, the US no vetoes the passing and adoption. Australia is not a permanent member but also refused to support the vote.

Riyad Mansour, Palestinian ambassador to the UN, criticised the world body for the failure of the vote.

"The Security Council has once again failed to uphold its charter duties to address this crises and to meaningfully contribute to a lasting solution in accordance with its own resolutions," Mansour said.

"This year, our people under Israeli occupation endured the further theft and colonisation of their land, the demolition of their homes, daily military raids, arrests and detention of thousands of civilians including children, rampant settler terrorism, constant affronts to their human dignity and repeated incursions at our holiest sites."

Following the vote, the US, Israel's closest ally, reiterated its opposition to the draft resolution.

Samantha Power, the US ambassador to the UN, said the resolution undermined efforts to "achieve two states for two people".

"It is deeply imbalanced and contains many elements that are not conducive to negotiations between the parties including unconstructive deadlines that take no account for Israelis legitimate security concerns," she said.

YES: Jordan, China, France, Russia, Luxembourg, Chad, Chile, Argentina, Rwanda, South Korea, Lithuania

NO: United States, Australia.

ABSTAINED: United Kingdom, Nigeria
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Reply #137 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:36pm
 
"Australia remains committed to a future in the region where Israel and the Palestinians live side by side in peace.
Regrettably, the draft resolution under consideration today will not help this process and that is why we have voted against it.

It lacks balance and seeks to impose a solution put forward by one party alone. Final status issues can only be resolved between the two sides. A process agreed by both sides is the only way forward to reach an enduring agreement.

The violence experienced in recent months in the Palestinian territories and Israel underlines the terrible human costs of the failure of final status negotiations and how fragile the situation is in the absence of genuine progress towards establishing a Palestinian state – an objective in which Australia believes and to which we are committed.”

Gary Quinlan, Australian Ambassador to the UN.
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Reply #138 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:50pm
 
"I want to express my appreciation and gratitude to Tony and his Australian Government. I spoke at length with the Prime Minister before the UN vote and he assured me that Australia's position was not going to be moved.

I also received assurances from the Nigerian president that they would not support the resolution. They stood by their words and this is what tipped the scales."

Benjamin Netanyahu
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Reply #139 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:56pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 8:36pm:
"Australia remains committed to a future in the region where Israel and the Palestinians live side by side in peace.
Regrettably, the draft resolution under consideration today will not help this process and that is why we have voted against it.

It lacks balance and seeks to impose a solution put forward by one party alone. Final status issues can only be resolved between the two sides. A process agreed by both sides is the only way forward to reach an enduring agreement.

The violence experienced in recent months in the Palestinian territories and Israel underlines the terrible human costs of the failure of final status negotiations and how fragile the situation is in the absence of genuine progress towards establishing a Palestinian state – an objective in which Australia believes and to which we are committed.”

Gary Quinlan, Australian Ambassador to the UN.


So the very clear majority want Palestine recognised, and we use weasel words.  Seems pretty clear to me Hicks.  What was the vote in the General Assembly on Palestine.

Aside from all that...why are the Jews putting themselves through the torture?  They seem genetically engineered to always want conflict in which they can claim victimhood.  Why any sane Jew would want to live where they are surrounded by the Hick's barbarians has me stuffed.  It is a small patch of this Planet they need it seems.  "Need."  Hmmmm??  Really?

Why the Hell make it hard?
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Reply #140 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:05pm
 
The land of Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people. Its not land just picked at random.
It is Jerusalem, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Be'ersheba.

The land belongs to Jewish people, that is where the peoples are from and where they belong.

It's not just for show that people like me are allowed Right of Return whenever we choose.
It's hereditary, its ancient.

There are easier places to be, but not the right place - and the people won't be pushed around by a rabble or ganging up.
This isn't 1933-45 now.
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Reply #141 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:18pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:05pm:
The land of Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people. Its not land just picked at random.
It is Jerusalem, Haifa, Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Be'ersheba.

The land belongs to Jewish people, that is where the peoples are from and where they belong.

It's not just for show that people like me are allowed Right of Return whenever we choose.
It's hereditary, its ancient.

There are easier places to be, but not the right place - and the people won't be pushed around by a rabble or ganging up.
This isn't 1933-45 now.


Therein lies the problem.  You believe in some ancient right to occupy a lump of pretty schitty dirt surrounded by barbarians......people who also claim the same ancient right.  Why not just bugger orf?  Buy Tasmania.  It is very cheap fertile land right now.  No 'barbarians' at the gate, and the entire Planet will breath a sigh of relief....including Tasmanians who need your cash.

Is it because you can thumb your nose knowing that the US is protecting you for purely political reasons?  You would not last a second if the US cut you loose.

Agree?
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Reply #142 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:23pm
 
Just another thought.  Isreal is such a dump of a place that there is no way it could fund the weaponry it has.  Hicks.....where does Israel get its money from to own state of the art ground and air capability?  Who is propping you up?
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Reply #143 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:25pm
 
By saying 'you'. You are placing me on one side.
I have told you I do not hold Israeli citizenship and I do not live there.

I am passing comment from overseas on the situation not taking sides.

But on the subject of what does Israel do - how about cellular technology? How about the most advanced solar and water power in the world?
How about Teva Pharmaceuticals?

Billions in revenue and technology advances.
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Reply #144 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:39pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:25pm:
By saying 'you'. You are placing me on one side.
I have told you I do not hold Israeli citizenship and I do not live there.


Sure.  That's why you posted this.

It's not just for show that people like me are allowed Right of Return whenever we choose.
It's hereditary, its ancient.



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I am passing comment from overseas on the situation not taking sides.


Rubbish.  You have told us about your Father and your Uncle(s) and cousins who made sure they never targetted Palestinian civilians.

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But on the subject of what does Israel do - how about cellular technology? How about the most advanced solar and water power in the world?
How about Teva Pharmaceuticals?

Billions in revenue and technology advances.


Really.  Some links would be really comforting to this cynic.

What's wrong with Tasmania Hicks?  Would you rather have barbarians at your door forever?  Do you want the Planet to be on a permanent knife edge so you can occupy a piece of schitty dirt.

Just get the phark out of there, and we will all have a much better chance of 'living happily ever after.'

Take Tasmania.  You can afford it.  It is beautifull and bountifull and not one barbarian at the door.

Everyone is happy.
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Reply #145 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:44pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 1:36pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
Worth noting that in the last few years the votes on Israel saw the United States vetoing positions with support on the SC from Australia.
On the subject of statehood for Palestinians, Australia voted NO.


Didn't Australia to our shame abstain from voting. While we were a disgrace on the topic we did not support the US who vetoes the vote. The US vote on behalf of their huge Jewish community that holds significant political weight in their country. 



I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.



Nothing to be proud of. I doubt that too many Australians would agree with their decision.
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Reply #146 - Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:49pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 9:44pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2016 at 1:36pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
Worth noting that in the last few years the votes on Israel saw the United States vetoing positions with support on the SC from Australia.
On the subject of statehood for Palestinians, Australia voted NO.


Didn't Australia to our shame abstain from voting. While we were a disgrace on the topic we did not support the US who vetoes the vote. The US vote on behalf of their huge Jewish community that holds significant political weight in their country. 



I was referring to the Dec 2014 vote when 3 countries voted NO.
Australia was one.



Nothing to be proud of. I doubt that too many Australians would agree with their decision.


Absolutely.  I agree, but we'll never know for sure.
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Reply #147 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 10:13am
 
Letter to Naz Shah MP who trivialised the dangers of violent rock throwing.
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Reply #148 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 10:56am
 
Got any letters about the dangers of white phosphorous?
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Reply #149 - Jan 12th, 2016 at 10:57am
 
Israel is becoming an outlaw state, stealing land that does belong to them in the West Bank. In Gaza they keep on with the reprisals policy but that is no longer working.
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