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Reply #105 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

They are led by a group designated as terrorists.
They fire missiles into Israel.
They are referred to by Egypts leader as a "pack of untrustworthy desert dogs".
They fire from the tops of apartment blocks then complain when the F-16 response endangers civilians.

They are frankly barbarians.

What is a terrorist? You mean like Timorese fighting Indonesians? Like Americans in the War of Independance? Like the French Resistance?

And Barbarian is a relative term. If I had my mothers home demolished because my brother threw stones at a soldier, I might have a different view on that.

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Reply #106 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

I too object to the use of weapons on civilians.

Hence why I feel good about my cousins telling me of the cosistent training to avoid civilian casualties, of my own uncles and father telling me of the instruction during Yom Kippur War and Six Day War to engage only with military personnel.

That engagement and firing onto threats can only be made specifically with the approval from command centre in Tel Aviv.

Now compare it with the hot headed Arab rabble in Gaza.
Led by terrorists, faces covered, throwing Molotov cocktails, firing unguided missiles at ANYTHING in Israel, attacking settler families cars with petrol bombs.
Murdering kids asleep in their beds.
A classic untrained rabble. They deserve everything they get.

Israel is staying. It is going nowhere. It is a state created for the homeland of a people back where they belong.

I myself didn't grow up in the Middle East. But Israel makes me welcome. Any time I like. That is the attraction. It is a home for people.

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Reply #107 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:15pm

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Israel is staying. It is going nowhere. It is a state created for the homeland of a people back where they belong.

Rubbish. How dumb was it in 1948 to artificially plonk some thing called Israel where it is surrounded by people whom even you describe this very day as 'barbarians.'

Why not take Tasmania? Nauru? Whatever?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #108 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm You don't just plonk people somewhere. The land of Israel has been there for centuries. It is referred to in the bible. It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like. 1948 is just a date where things occurred. Israel is much much much older than that.
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Reply #109 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

You don't just plonk people somewhere.
The land of Israel has been there for centuries.
It is referred to in the bible.

It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like.

1948 is just a date where things occurred.
Israel is much much much older than that.

God has been used for centuries to justify armed conflict and empire building, but the smacking bible?

Don't start or we will all run off and start quoting what else that thing says and you won't win that one. Back away from the Bible! Quoting pretend friends in Heaven isn't a strong position.

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Reply #110 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:26pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

You don't just plonk people somewhere.
The land of Israel has been there for centuries.
It is referred to in the bible.

It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like.

1948 is just a date where things occurred.
Israel is much much much older than that.

Crap. I'm not going there in detail (I could) Hicks because it would offend. Simple fact is that is the existence of the artificial State of Israel is the root cause of what is threatening World Peace. That is what I care about. All you seem to care about is possession of a piece of pretty arid dirt when I am offering you a much more productive place on the Planet.

What is the problem here Hicks?

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Reply #111 - Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

You don't just plonk people somewhere.
The land of Israel has been there for centuries.
It is referred to in the bible.

It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like.

1948 is just a date where things occurred.
Israel is much much much older than that.

God has been used for centuries to justify armed conflict and empire building, but the smacking bible?

Don't start or we will all run off and start quoting what else that thing says and you won't win that one. Back away from the Bible! Quoting pretend friends in Heaven isn't a strong position.

I don't need to justify my position whatsoever.
Israel is a state, it is not going away.
People either accept that and shut the f--- up or fight back and find themselves in an unpleasant position.

The days of pushing around the people are gone.
This is no longer 1933-45.

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Reply #112 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:06am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

You don't just plonk people somewhere.
The land of Israel has been there for centuries.
It is referred to in the bible.

It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like.

1948 is just a date where things occurred.
Israel is much much much older than that.

God has been used for centuries to justify armed conflict and empire building, but the smacking bible?

Don't start or we will all run off and start quoting what else that thing says and you won't win that one. Back away from the Bible! Quoting pretend friends in Heaven isn't a strong position.

I don't need to justify my position whatsoever.
Israel is a state, it is not going away.
People either accept that and shut the f--- up or fight back and find themselves in an unpleasant position.

The days of pushing around the people are gone.
This is no longer 1933-45.

So instead, 'the people' as you call them, push other people around. Now, Palestininan homes and businesses are shut down. Would have been awesome to see the Jewish people lead by example instead of just adopting German tactics.

You seem to do a lot of position justifying for someone who says they don't have to.

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 61364 Here Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #113 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:47am A conflict where both sides are actively trying to be more in the wrong than the other. Australia should be taking an action by action view and condemning which ever side has done the wrong thing.
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Reply #114 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 7:10am

random wrote on Jan 9^th, 2016 at 6:06am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

random wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2016 at 10:18pm:

You don't just plonk people somewhere.
The land of Israel has been there for centuries.
It is referred to in the bible.

It is a land given to our people by God himself if you like.

1948 is just a date where things occurred.
Israel is much much much older than that.

God has been used for centuries to justify armed conflict and empire building, but the smacking bible?

Don't start or we will all run off and start quoting what else that thing says and you won't win that one. Back away from the Bible! Quoting pretend friends in Heaven isn't a strong position.

I don't need to justify my position whatsoever.
Israel is a state, it is not going away.
People either accept that and shut the f--- up or fight back and find themselves in an unpleasant position.
The days of pushing around the people are gone.
This is no longer 1933-45.

So instead, 'the people' as you call them, push other people around. Now, Palestininan homes and businesses are shut down. Would have been awesome to see the Jewish people lead by example instead of just adopting German tactics.

You seem to do a lot of position justifying for someone who says they don't have to.

No I just feel that the unnecessary one eyed criticism that comes Israels way is completely out of order.
That's my position. I hold no bias.

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #115 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:20am That's not how your comments appear. You appear to be one-eyed on any critisism of Israel and you are the one calling all Palestinians 'Barbarians'.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #116 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 8:59am I'll defend Israel where the criticism isn't valid. I happen to know from family experience that Israel takes precautions to minimise casualties. Yet you look at the usual Pallywood nonsense on shelling of Gaza etc and believe it!
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #117 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:45am So Pallywood made it up? Gaza, one of the most densely populated places on the planet, was not shelled and burned? Gaza, a city that has no Army, Navy or Airforce, attacked by one of the best trained and equipped military groups on the planet? Mmmmmm.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #118 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:47am Do they fire unguided rockets and missiles into Israel? Do they hide munitions in schools? Do they fire from behind civilian apartment blocks?? Don't give me this poor little city. It doesn't wash with me.
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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: The Hasbara trolls are busy on Ozpolitic Reply #119 - Jan 9^th, 2016 at 9:52am Gaza, one of the most densely populated places on the planet, was not shelled and burned? Gaza, a city that has no Army, Navy or Airforce, attacked by one of the best trained and equipped military groups on the planet?
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