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Reply #45 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:26pm
 
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

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    Australia has a long history of accepting refugees for resettlement and over 800,000 refugees and displaced persons have settled in Australia since 1945.
   
    There is a difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee—asylum seekers are people seeking international protection but whose claims for refugee status have not yet been determined.
   
    Although those who come to Australia by boat seeking Australia’s protection are classified by Australian law to be ‘unlawful non-citizens’, they have a right to seek asylum under international law and not be penalised for their mode of entry.
   
    Although the numbers fluctuate, usually only a small proportion of asylum applicants in Australia arrive by boat—most arrive by air with a valid visa and then go on to pursue asylum claims. While the number of boat arrivals has risen substantially in recent years, it is worth noting that even in high arrival years they still comprise just over half of onshore asylum seekers in Australia and a greater proportion of those arriving by boat are recognised as refugees. In 2014, arrival numbers fell again and there was only one boat arrival in Australia. As a result, the majority of asylum applicants arrived by air.
   
    There is no orderly queue for asylum seekers to join. Only a very small proportion of asylum seekers are registered with the UNHCR and only about one per cent of those recognised by the UNHCR as refugees who meet the resettlement criteria are subsequently resettled to another country.
   
    All unauthorised boat arrivals in Australia are subject to the same assessment criteria as other asylum applicants and are also subject to comprehensive security and health checks.
    
    Claims that refugees in Australia are entitled to higher benefits than other social security recipients are unfounded.
   
    The Australian Government usually allocates around 13,750 places to refugees and others with humanitarian needs under its planned Humanitarian Program. Historically, the majority of these places are granted to offshore refugees referred to Australia by the UNHCR, but some are given to refugees who arrived by air or boat and were granted protection visas onshore. However, even during high boat arrival periods, onshore grants to boat and air arrivals combined still only comprise about 50 per cent of Australia’s Humanitarian Program.
   
    The number of people arriving unauthorised by boat in Australia is small in comparison to the numbers arriving in other parts of the world such as Europe. Similarly, the number of asylum claims lodged in Australia is small in comparison to the USA and Europe.
   
    While about 20 developed nations, including Australia, participate formally in the UNHCR’s refugee resettlement program, the vast majority of asylum seekers and refugees are actually hosted in developing countries.
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Re: They breed them smart at Lib HQ
Reply #46 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:26pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:25pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:12pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 9:10pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. 


Wrong, yet again.

http://www.alp.org.au/policy_commitments

http://www.alp.org.au/what_we_re_for

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?



How am I wrong?


Labor do not think that "gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes."

http://www.alp.org.au/policy_commitments

http://www.alp.org.au/what_we_re_for



True.




There you go.

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Re: They breed them smart at Lib HQ
Reply #47 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:28pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:24pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


For the umpteenth time - there have never been 'open borders' - any applicant for asylum has been obliged to pass stringent tests.  You seem to think that onshore processing means they're already here, even when they're in camps in SA and WA.



open border

" a ​situation in which ​goods and ​people can ​enter and ​leave a country easily: open border between sth and sth There should be an ​open border between the two countries. an ​open borders ​agreement"


http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/open-border

What exactly is 'easy' about going into a camp at Exmouth while being subjected to a battery of tests and examinations?



It's probably become more stringent now the Liberals are in charge. Under Labor all one had to do was spin some story about persecution.
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Reply #48 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


No the libs did that in collaboration with the greens removing market testing on 457s
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Re: They breed them smart at Lib HQ
Reply #49 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm
 
Just to bring reality back into play:-

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_L...

Executive summary

    Australia has a long history of accepting refugees for resettlement and over 800,000 refugees and displaced persons have settled in Australia since 1945.
   
    There is a difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee—asylum seekers are people seeking international protection but whose claims for refugee status have not yet been determined.
   
    Although those who come to Australia by boat seeking Australia’s protection are classified by Australian law to be ‘unlawful non-citizens’, they have a right to seek asylum under international law and not be penalised for their mode of entry.
   
    Although the numbers fluctuate, usually only a small proportion of asylum applicants in Australia arrive by boat—most arrive by air with a valid visa and then go on to pursue asylum claims. While the number of boat arrivals has risen substantially in recent years, it is worth noting that even in high arrival years they still comprise just over half of onshore asylum seekers in Australia and a greater proportion of those arriving by boat are recognised as refugees. In 2014, arrival numbers fell again and there was only one boat arrival in Australia. As a result, the majority of asylum applicants arrived by air.
   
    There is no orderly queue for asylum seekers to join. Only a very small proportion of asylum seekers are registered with the UNHCR and only about one per cent of those recognised by the UNHCR as refugees who meet the resettlement criteria are subsequently resettled to another country.
   
    All unauthorised boat arrivals in Australia are subject to the same assessment criteria as other asylum applicants and are also subject to comprehensive security and health checks.
    
    Claims that refugees in Australia are entitled to higher benefits than other social security recipients are unfounded.
   
    The Australian Government usually allocates around 13,750 places to refugees and others with humanitarian needs under its planned Humanitarian Program. Historically, the majority of these places are granted to offshore refugees referred to Australia by the UNHCR, but some are given to refugees who arrived by air or boat and were granted protection visas onshore. However, even during high boat arrival periods, onshore grants to boat and air arrivals combined still only comprise about 50 per cent of Australia’s Humanitarian Program.
   
    The number of people arriving unauthorised by boat in Australia is small in comparison to the numbers arriving in other parts of the world such as Europe. Similarly, the number of asylum claims lodged in Australia is small in comparison to the USA and Europe.
   
    While about 20 developed nations, including Australia, participate formally in the UNHCR’s refugee resettlement program, the vast majority of asylum seekers and refugees are actually hosted in developing countries.

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Re: They breed them smart at Lib HQ
Reply #50 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:24pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


You seem to think.



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Reply #51 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:35pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:28pm:
It's probably become more stringent now the Liberals are in charge. Under Labor all one had to do was spin some story about persecution.


You say, probably - meaning you aren't sure.  That is assumption.  The tests are the same as before - I think.  People applying still have to pass medical, character, and identity tests - the only difference is that the LNP has decreed that any arriving by boat, who are not supposed to be punished in any way for their method of arrival, will not be settled here, but will be sent post haste to the Malaria/Typhoid/Cholera/AIDS Belt, where they will make a living selling their daughters into sex slavery or by growing poppies in the Golden Triangle for some drug warlord.......

No punishment there.... nah.....

I studied this stuff at Uni level, but that was in 2005.
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Reply #52 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:36pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


No the libs did that in collaboration with the greens removing market testing on 457s


Labor had 6 years to cut right back on immigration and didn't.
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Reply #53 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:40pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:35pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:28pm:
It's probably become more stringent now the Liberals are in charge. Under Labor all one had to do was spin some story about persecution.


You say, probably - meaning you aren't sure.  That is assumption.  The tests are the same as before - I think.  People applying still have to pass medical, character, and identity tests - the only difference is that the LNP has decreed that any arriving by boat, who are not supposed to be punished in any way for their method of arrival, will not be settled here, but will be sent post haste to the Malaria/Typhoid/Cholera/AIDS Belt, where they will make a living selling their daughters into sex slavery or by growing poppies in the Golden Triangle for some drug warlord.......

No punishment there.... nah.....

I studied this stuff at Uni level, but that was in 2005.



Presuming your post is correct, then how does that refute an open border policy when Labor wouldn't 'turn back the boats' once the quota was reached?
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Reply #54 - Jan 4th, 2016 at 11:04pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


No the libs did that in collaboration with the greens removing market testing on 457s


Labor had 6 years to cut right back on immigration and didn't.


If there is so many here turkn our jerbs already as you seem to think , why do we need to import them to fill a supposed skills shortage ?
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Reply #55 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:00am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:21pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:53am:
The Liberal party is filled with probably the dumbest ****s in Parliament. How Dutton, Ley or Hunt got into leadership positions in this country is beyond me. While Hunt I guess you can explain as basically the real world Smithers, Dutton and Ley are the human equivalent of potatoes.


Yet they rule. Where are Labor and the Greens again?




they are even lower on the scale of brains....WALLY AND BILLYNUMNUTS...they make an excellent duo...

shame isnt it.. no matter what they come up with   we can always better them...

I think its so funny...

dutton makes a boo boo that just about everyone has done at some stage of their lives... and LOOK AT THE ATTENTION THEY ARE GIVING HIM..


I cant wait for BILLYNUMNUTS to bring it up in Parliament... Grin Grin Grin Grin


Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Actually, it's the nutters in the conservative wing of the lib/nats who are the only ones left thinking same sex marriage is a big issue.  The rest just want to pass the legislation and move on with life.

Doc, as someone with a Ph.D. In political something or rather, why do you oppose secular states?
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Reply #56 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 10:12am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


No the libs did that in collaboration with the greens removing market testing on 457s


Labor had 6 years to cut right back on immigration and didn't.



Labor tightened 457 rules ?
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Reply #57 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 10:16am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:40pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:35pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:28pm:
It's probably become more stringent now the Liberals are in charge. Under Labor all one had to do was spin some story about persecution.


You say, probably - meaning you aren't sure.  That is assumption.  The tests are the same as before - I think.  People applying still have to pass medical, character, and identity tests - the only difference is that the LNP has decreed that any arriving by boat, who are not supposed to be punished in any way for their method of arrival, will not be settled here, but will be sent post haste to the Malaria/Typhoid/Cholera/AIDS Belt, where they will make a living selling their daughters into sex slavery or by growing poppies in the Golden Triangle for some drug warlord.......

No punishment there.... nah.....

I studied this stuff at Uni level, but that was in 2005.



Presuming your post is correct, then how does that refute an open border policy when Labor wouldn't 'turn back the boats' once the quota was reached?


Turning back refugee applicants is a breach of our UN agreement on human rights.

Allowing refugee applicants has nothing to do with open boarders, that is a very different thing.

A quota is just an arbitrary BS number that somebody made up.
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Reply #58 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:01pm
 
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 11:04pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm:
Its time wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:47pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Is that why they have opposed Libs nasty policy that attacks the lower socio economic at every opportunity , ok got it  Roll Eyes


They may oppose the Liberal's economic reforms but that matters little when they have a high immigration intake and an open border policy for asylum shoppers seekers. The working classes have to compete with an extra 100,000s workers each year.


No the libs did that in collaboration with the greens removing market testing on 457s


Labor had 6 years to cut right back on immigration and didn't.


If there is so many here turkn our jerbs already as you seem to think , why do we need to import them to fill a supposed skills shortage ?


We don't.
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Reply #59 - Jan 5th, 2016 at 8:03pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 5th, 2016 at 5:00am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:21pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 7:17pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jan 4th, 2016 at 10:53am:
The Liberal party is filled with probably the dumbest ****s in Parliament. How Dutton, Ley or Hunt got into leadership positions in this country is beyond me. While Hunt I guess you can explain as basically the real world Smithers, Dutton and Ley are the human equivalent of potatoes.


Yet they rule. Where are Labor and the Greens again?




they are even lower on the scale of brains....WALLY AND BILLYNUMNUTS...they make an excellent duo...

shame isnt it.. no matter what they come up with   we can always better them...

I think its so funny...

dutton makes a boo boo that just about everyone has done at some stage of their lives... and LOOK AT THE ATTENTION THEY ARE GIVING HIM..


I cant wait for BILLYNUMNUTS to bring it up in Parliament... Grin Grin Grin Grin


Labor is the dumbest of the 3 parties by far. At least the Greens are consistent in the type of people they attract. Labor, on the other hand, the so-called working mans' party, is full of elitist fools who think gay marriage and open borders are the most important issues facing the working classes. Absolute fools.


Actually, it's the nutters in the conservative wing of the lib/nats who are the only ones left thinking same sex marriage is a big issue.  The rest just want to pass the legislation and move on with life.

Doc, as someone with a Ph.D. In political something or rather, why do you oppose secular states?


Gay marriage affects about .000001% of the population. It does nothing to help the working classes.
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