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Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:27am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:58am:
No one can say what the AWU did to improve conditions. The truth is the AWU did nothing.



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Top female athletes take case to union:

Reporter: Heather Ewart



KERRY O'BRIEN: The economic gulf between men's and women's sport in Australia has been the source of simmering resentment for some time, amongst the women at least. Now, in an effort to improve the lot of players at all levels, the company's top netballers have turned to the Australian Workers Union for help. It's a high profile coup for the union at a time when the movement as a whole struggling to maintain membership and it's a mark of determination by the elite players in Australia's highest participation sport. The union sees more opportunities in other sports and that's made administrators nervous. Heather Hewitt reports

"In her 100th test match, Liz Ellis".

LINDSAY CANE (CHIEF EXECUTIVE, NETBALL AUSTRALIA): We're talking about the best athletes in the world in this sport. We're talking about women who are equally committed, as equally talented in their own field as any professional male athlete.

BILL SHORTEN (AUSTRALIAN WORKERS UNION): These women train for nine, 10 months of the year. They put in, on average, 25 to 30 hours on top of holding down full-time study or another job.

HEATHER HEWITT: When Australia's netball team thrashed England last Friday night, team captain, Liz Ellis, made history as she starred in her 100th test. But history of another kind is also at play here. The elite players of the National Netball League have just taken the unprecedented step of joining the Australian Workers Union in search of better pay and conditions.

Do you feel as though you're trail blazers here?

LIZ ELLIS: No, I just feel as if we're netballers who wanna to contribute to our sport and we wanna see, you know, do our best to make the sport better for mainly the generations to come.

AMANDA BURTON (RETIRED MELBOURNE NETBALLER): I think we're the test case. Other sports can go like, look at women's cricket and softball and all these other like Olympic sports that can really generate and go places. So, look, I'm happy to be part of netball and the test case in this scenario.

HEATHER HEWITT: This is one test case that could have long-term consequences, not just for Australian Netball but for other women's sports and their administrations are on edge awaiting the next move. Men's sports too are taking more than a passing interest.

RON BARASSI (FORMER AFL COACH): Are they gonna to go out of a job for the day, or go on strike? I don't know.

BILL SHORTEN: When you look at it, the level of commitment that elite Australian women athletes put in, I think they need collective bargaining; they need union representation; they need player associations.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2005/s1313768.htm





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Reply #16 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 9:31am
 
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A strike by Australia's national netball team remains unresolved despite next month's looming test series against New Zealand, but the parties seem confident of reaching an agreement.

The national squad's five-day training camp last week was cancelled because of the strike over player payments. Netball Australia management had talks with the Australian Netball Players' Association (Anpa) on Sunday night.

'Netball Australia remains hopeful that agreement can be reached with Anpa to ensure that the selection camp later this month and the tour to New Zealand in October goes ahead as planned,' the national body said in a statement.

Progress

Bill Shorten, Secretary of the Australian Workers' Union, who is assisting Anpa in its negotiations, said he was hopeful the contract dispute would be resolved soon.

'Progress was made [at the Sunday talks] and we are awaiting a proposition from them,' he said. 'I am confident to the extent there is a solution available, with goodwill from everyone.'

The Australian representatives are paid far less than their Silver Ferns rivals and are understood to have asked for a 100% pay increase, plus $A200 ($NZ237) a day when they are in training camps.


Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 8:58am:
The truth is the AWU did nothing.


Once again AP you were wrong, they did do something ?
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Reply #17 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:25am
 
I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how could the AWU represent all of these sport stars if not one of them were members?
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Reply #18 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:29am
 
the good ole boys wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:25am:
I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how could the AWU represent all of these sport stars if not one of them were members?


Shorten is a love rat

So he's hoping to get laid
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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:31am
 
Shorten's women need to be rich or have rich parents. At any rate, I thought a union member had to apply and pay dues.
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Reply #20 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am
 
the good ole boys wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:25am:
I'm sure this is a stupid question, but how could the AWU represent all of these sport stars if not one of them were members?


All workers benefit from the good work done by unions.

For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.




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Reply #21 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?

But Shorten claimed he signed them up as members. Not just ex-gratia payments from the sports bodies, which confer no benefit.
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Reply #22 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:01pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?


Yes.

All workplaces.
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Reply #23 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:03pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?


Yes.

All workplaces.


Wrong. They actually had their pay and conditions slashed thanks to Shortarse.
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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #24 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:06pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?


Yes.

All workplaces.


Wrong. They actually had their pay and conditions slashed thanks to Shortarse.


No, I am 100% correct.  Try to focus.

If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees are covered by that document - not just the paid up union members.

Try to concentrate on reading what I'm actually saying, rather than what you "think" I'm saying.



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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #25 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:06pm:
If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees are covered by that document - not just the paid up union members



Not so - Only those employees of the type listed in the document. EG Metalworkers would not be covered by a Cleaners agreement. Cleaners would not be covered by Riggers agreement.
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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #26 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:32pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:06pm:
If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees are covered by that document - not just the paid up union members



Not so - Only those employees of the type listed in the document. EG Metalworkers would not be covered by a Cleaners agreement. Cleaners would not be covered by Riggers agreement.


Yes, that's correct (and exactly what I meant).

My point is, those listed are covered by the EA whether they are members of a union or not.

One does not have to be a union member in order to be covered by a union-negotiated Agreement.

The unions do the hard work for all workers who will eventually be covered by the Agreements they negotiate.

Not all members, but all workers.

Similarly, it's not just union members who get paid annual leave, paid sick leave, and penalty rates even though those conditions were won by unions.



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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #27 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:35pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?


Yes.

All workplaces.


Wrong. They actually had their pay and conditions slashed thanks to Shortarse.


No, I am 100% correct.  Try to focus.

If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees are covered by that document - not just the paid up union members.

Try to concentrate on reading what I'm actually saying, rather than what you "think" I'm saying.





Wrong again...

"The Australian can also reveal that the reduction of employee conditions under a 1998 enterprise agreement signed by Mr Shorten’s AWU Victoria and Cleanevent cost 5000-odd workers as much as $400 million, substantially more than previously thought... Analysis based on wages bills conducted by The Australian, with the aid of industry experts, shows that taking into account the differences to the EBA introduced in 1998 workers were collectively about $420m worse off than they would have been had leave loadings not been removed from the EBA." - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/cleanevent...
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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #28 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:36pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?


Yes.

All workplaces.


Wrong. They actually had their pay and conditions slashed thanks to Shortarse.


No, I am 100% correct.  Try to focus.

If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees are covered by that document - not just the paid up union members.

Try to concentrate on reading what I'm actually saying, rather than what you "think" I'm saying.





Wrong again...

"The Australian can also reveal that the reduction of employee conditions under a 1998 enterprise agreement signed by Mr Shorten’s AWU Victoria and Cleanevent cost 5000-odd workers as much as $400 million, substantially more than previously thought... Analysis based on wages bills conducted by The Australian, with the aid of industry experts, shows that taking into account the differences to the EBA introduced in 1998 workers were collectively about $420m worse off than they would have been had leave loadings not been removed from the EBA." - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/cleanevent...


I am 100% correct.

If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees listed in the document are entitled to the pay rises and conditions that have been negotiated - not just the paid up union members.

You are off on some tangent subject.

Try to focus.
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Re: RC: Shorten’s AWU sporting scandal
Reply #29 - Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:36pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:35pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:06pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 12:01pm:
lee wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2016 at 11:34am:
For example, when a new Agreement is negotiated in a workplace, by a union, all workers at that particular site (*EDIT: are entitled to) receive the pay increases and conditions contained in that document - not just the union members.



Including Spotless Cleaners?


Yes.

All workplaces.


Wrong. They actually had their pay and conditions slashed thanks to Shortarse.


No, I am 100% correct.  Try to focus.

If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees are covered by that document - not just the paid up union members.

Try to concentrate on reading what I'm actually saying, rather than what you "think" I'm saying.





Wrong again...

"The Australian can also reveal that the reduction of employee conditions under a 1998 enterprise agreement signed by Mr Shorten’s AWU Victoria and Cleanevent cost 5000-odd workers as much as $400 million, substantially more than previously thought... Analysis based on wages bills conducted by The Australian, with the aid of industry experts, shows that taking into account the differences to the EBA introduced in 1998 workers were collectively about $420m worse off than they would have been had leave loadings not been removed from the EBA." - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/cleanevent...


I am 100% correct.

If a union-negotiated Agreement is in place at a particular worksite, all employees listed in the document are entitled to the pay rises and conditions that have been negotiated - not just the paid up union members.

You are off on some tangent subject.

Try to focus.


You're saying those workers were better off after Shorten became involved when the TRUTH is they were considerably worse off just so he could boost his political clout within the ALP.
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